Push-to-start & keyless entry: Has anyone added these features?

[MikeNH]

Not a fan of keyless entry/ignition. I don't want it on my vehicle. I can deal with the Ram shifter. It's weird at first but you get used to it. 10000000% opposed to autonomous vehicles. Not giving up freedom of movement.

[Jernik]

10000000% opposed to autonomous vehicles. Not giving up freedom of movement.

 

Before moving to the Houston area I'd have agreed with this. Traffic and stoplights pretty much negate any freedom of movement around here...

[MikeNH]

 

Before moving to the Houston area I'd have agreed with this. Traffic and stoplights pretty much negate any freedom of movement around here...

 

Not what I'm talking about. In the event of some sort of disaster, someone will be able to flip a switch to tell all those autonomous cars to stay put. Right now they can close roads all they like but there's not enough manpower to block everyone so a smart person can still move around. The kind of car you describe puts your mobility in the hands of others. No thanks. Not ever.

[newdude]

Can you add push to start and passive entry? No. There is somewhere between 4-6 antennas for the system, all the wiring, different door handles with the little push button and their wiring, different theft and body control modules, and different keyless entry module. Not plug and play for sure.

[moosehead1]

^Dunno about inability to PNP yet. These trucks already have the fob antennas to lock/unlock, and fob antennas to remote start. There's just the mechanical key override to drive away at the moment. Feels like the last inch is pretty easy and cheap..

 

I'll go ahead and say it, the F150 has keyless entry/ignition feature and they are moving more trucks despite first year alum body and eekobeater. The feature exists in a multitude of GM vehicles. It aint expensive or hard, it's evidently just that us Neanderthal truck people want yesterday's stuff.

[MikeNH]

^Dunno about inability to PNP yet. These trucks already have the fob antennas to lock/unlock, and fob antennas to remote start. There's just the mechanical key override to drive away at the moment. Feels like the last inch is pretty easy and cheap..

 

I'll go ahead and say it, the F150 has keyless entry/ignition feature and they are moving more trucks despite first year alum body and eekobeater. The feature exists in a multitude of GM vehicles. It aint expensive or hard, it's evidently just that us Neanderthal truck people want yesterday's stuff.

 

Keyless entry is far more complex than you seem to think. The existing hardware is nowhere near what is needed. 2-3 proximity transceivers (each door, the ignition switch) would be needed as well as all the wiring and programming to make it work. It won't happen. And Ford doesn't outsell GM combined.

[moosehead1]

^Bet you $20 it happens in 2017 for the GM truck twins. Hell, the relaunched Jeep Grand Cherokee did so in 2011, if Mopar can do it, GM can do so.

 

Hardware swap is the ignition/key/harness for four door handles and a harness. GM already has the hardware.

 

GM should also take the three off the tree, I'd rather have electronic manual shift in a more natural place for driving in the mountains. Can you imagine paddle shifters in a truck? Gasp, the horror.

 

Completely understand the resistance, I'm probably older than most of the posters on this board. I've just been spoiled by other great vehicles, some inexpensive some not.

 

IIRC, in 2014 the GM twins sold roughly 500k+ units to the F150's 700K+ units. Would be interested in seeing the unit data for 2015.

[MikeNH]

They might do it for 2017. I don't know. But considering Ford and Ram offer proper keys on most trims still I'd happily buy one of theirs. Numbers are already available. And sales aren't broken down by class, it's F-series as a whole vs Silverado, etc.

[chancyrudd]

The compustar ez-go hands free keyless entry can give you everything you need for the keyless portion minus needing a module to interface the door locks which is made by idatalink (my favorite) or various other immobilizer bypass solution companies.

 

There are also several other companies making push-to-start kits that work pretty well. Some require you to physically disable the steering and shift locks but my preferred method of install is to unplug the ignition harness and install a shaved key turned to on and cover for ignition switch on. I will not modify the steering or shift locks for my customers due to liability.

 

The ones I have installed have worked very well but between the two systems you would be looking at alot of money in parts and labor. I am not sure if the steering and shift locks are electronically or mechanically actuated on our trucks so that would affect my ability to do the install. Basically a PTS kit is a remote start that doesn't shut down until you push the button again.

 

Doesn't really tell you if it's possible on our trucks but you can definitely do a retrofit on most vehicles out there.

[moosehead1]

^MikeNH, appreciate being able to have the open debate without drama. This forum rocks.

 

You were right about the unit sales, looks like the twins combined take the unit sale win over the F150 in 2015. Outrageous truck volume and increases.

 

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2016/01/usa-best-selling-pickup-trucks-december-2015-year-end.html

[mdrew]

I dearly miss the proximity entry my Ram had. How anyone could not like the convenience of simply touching the door handle to unlock the door is beyond me. Especially when carrying things. But to each their own, whatever. Now the push button start.....mixed feelings about that. I never could figure out a routine for putting the fob in the same place every time I got in the truck. I'd often find myself searching for it. My vette has it, and the damn fob has to be in just the right spots in the car, or it isn't detected. That gets iritating.

 

But to the OP's questions, I can't imagine adding this feature. It would be a complex job I think. Just the door handles alone. I'd still do it though.

 

Excuse to buy a new truck in a couple years I reckon.

[StinkyCheese]

My sister's new crossover thing has it and while I was up there that thing annoyed the hell out of me. You had to do some dance or something to get the doors to unlock, fondle the door handles..blah blah blah. Just use the flippin key fob. Took longer to do all that crap than to just use the key fob. Granted they hadn't had the vehicle long, but still. I like having a key fob and no proximity for safety reasons. I like being able to control just unlocking the driver's door or leaving it locked even after I've walked up to it or even unlocking and locking it from afar.

 

Now on the UPS package "cars" we have push button sequences that we use and those work great. Push the button on the fob in a certain sequence and the door to the rear opens up, push it in another way and if the truck has the roll up door in the rear that unlocks, as well as I guess I'll say "priming" the truck to be started. In that scenario push button works because it saves time and when handing packages it's much easier to push buttons than fiddle with keys while trying to open doors.

 

 

Personally if this became a thing I would want a way to disable/remove it.

Edited January 8, 2016 by Chevyguy85

[lsxrx7]

doesnt matter

GM won any way you look at it

 

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/the-old-tacoma-crushed-the-new-chevy-colorado-but-gm-st-1751758786

 

 

Any Pickup Truck Total Sales

GM 939,190

Ford 790,434

Ram 451,116

Toyota 298,442

Nissan 74,957

Honda 520

All Brands 2,554,659

 

 

 

Truck Total Sales 2015

Ford F-Series 780,354

Chevy Silverado 600,544

Ram 451,116

GMC Sierra 224,139

Toyota Tundra 118,880

Nissan Titan 12,140

Total Full-Size 2,187,173

[Abilene Allen]

So, basically no one can simple answer this question "information not opinions concerning adapting push to start to a 2019 truck that does not come equipped with this feature"...