What does GM need to do to be successful?

[KARNUT]

 

 

 

You don't have to be self employed to know that you can't please everyone.

I like GM trucks for several reasons over other brands. That's why I don't care whether other brands are the same or not.

Yes, Gm trucks have come a long way. But we still have to deal with rusting frames, clunking transmissions and oil burning engines.

That's a step back, or a step to the side to say the least. But not a step forward.

 

so long

j-ten-ner

In the 70s 100K miles was the norm. Surface rust on the frames no big deal. Buy 100K bodies had holes in them engines needed rebuilds. The 80s was a joke across the board, by the 90s things improved. People didn't expect much till the Toyota and Honda showed up and changed the game. I haven't experienced most of the problems people complain about here. In the business I retired from I dealt with lots of p/u owners didn't hear a lot of problems people complain about here. One exception the 6.0 diesel. The trucks are used for work not much for play. My experience covers 40 years, people seem to complain more these days for sure.

 

 

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[Singer-Man]

 

Yes, and it might create a lot of good will, (and possibly more sales), if they were to stop cornholing their customers for "genuine GM replacement parts" -- you know $400.00 side mirrors, et al.

[Grumpy Bear]

Isn't that what a business is supposed to do? Right or wrong that is why they do what they do. Can't fault them for that

 

 

Odd you should qualify your observation with 'right or wrong'. Doing so says that even if 'wrong' is required to do what they are "suppose to do", we should be okay with that? Or at least you are.

 

Let's test that. If murder actually succeeds in killing the even though it's wrong he completed the task he was "suppose to do" and as he was successful we need to be okay with that too.

 

Of course you don't believe that. That would be insane, right? I mean it would only be okay if the "majority' of humanity were okay with murder like the majority are okay with unethical or immoral business practices. I happens. We've had two global wars. Which is exactly what happens when a company bean counter says it's cheaper to pay law suits for wrongful death than it would be to recall defective cars. Or it's okay to lie about diesel engine certifications as long as you think you can get away with it and if so then we should be good with that too as long as you're successful. Or how about we design a truck that steals from you by not delivering a rational and normal service life. Honda in example hid the fact the 2006 Civic's upper control arms were faulty in design and as such cost customers hundreds in tires and service calls they we responsible for. Instructing dealers to make them aware of the new parts available at company cost ONLY if they complained profusely enough to draw attention to or threaten a law suit. You good with that?

[pickmeup]

Compared to the 60's GM has slid a long ways down. They were a powerhouse then. Largest most profitable company in the World. Fast forward to today and it is a skeleton of what it once was. Hell I can remember hearing whats good for GM is good for the country. But then again compared to 08 they doing good and still standing.

[RyanbabZ71]

 

Odd you should qualify your observation with 'right or wrong'. Doing so says that even if 'wrong' is required to do what they are "suppose to do", we should be okay with that? Or at least you are.

 

Let's test that. If murder actually succeeds in killing the even though it's wrong he completed the task he was "suppose to do" and as he was successful we need to be okay with that too.

 

Of course you don't believe that. That would be insane, right? I mean it would only be okay if the "majority' of humanity were okay with murder like the majority are okay with unethical or immoral business practices. I happens. We've had two global wars. Which is exactly what happens when a company bean counter says it's cheaper to pay law suits for wrongful death than it would be to recall defective cars. Or it's okay to lie about diesel engine certifications as long as you think you can get away with it and if so then we should be good with that too as long as you're successful. Or how about we design a truck that steals from you by not delivering a rational and normal service life. Honda in example hid the fact the 2006 Civic's upper control arms were faulty in design and as such cost customers hundreds in tires and service calls they we responsible for. Instructing dealers to make them aware of the new parts available at company cost ONLY if they complained profusely enough to draw attention to or threaten a law suit. You good with that?

 

You are crossing into the ethics side of a business. Safety should not take a backseat to business profit. I was speaking merely the objective of a business is for profit not looking the other way in quality or safety.. GM like many other companies have safety and ethical policies. I didnt want to go down that path as it will go off course.

[Grumpy Bear]

 

You are crossing into the ethics side of a business. Safety should not take a backseat to business profit. I was speaking merely the objective of a business is for profit not looking the other way in quality or safety.. GM like many other companies have safety and ethical policies. I didnt want to go down that path as it will go off course.

 

How does one separate the two? Animals make choices based on instinct. Human behavior is the product of moral principles that govern a person's or group's behavior. The very definition of ethics. That said....

 

Your diamond. Your bat. Your ball. As you wish.