Engine Flush?!?

[diyer2]

Sea Foam

Add 300 miles before you do an oil change.

 

[Grumpy Bear]

3 hours ago, sdeeter19555 said:

My last and final comment on this subject is that if kerosene was acceptable, why is it not used by the manufacturers (i.e., dealers) yet today?

I know some of us backyards still consider this acceptable, 
 

So what worked for what, 60 + years and in print in manufactures writings is no longer acceptable because someone found a way to monetize something else at a larger margin? There's an idea not worth having. Moving on isn't moving forward or even toward something better. My grandparents used baking soda for toothpaste until they died with a full head of pearly whites. What was Crest going to do soda didn't? Actually plain water and a toothbrush with floss does about what can be done.  K.I.S.S. "Teeth don't rot from food between your teeth; they rot from food ROTTING between your teeth". Quoting my dentist there.   

 

You say 'backyard' as if it's a swear word and yet consider yourself among (us)?  Tell a little secret. I still lap warped alloy heads for small engines on the garage's cement floor and finish them on a glass plate. The manufacture would have you buy a new head or invest in a milling machine. It's good business. Well, perhaps not "good' but you get the idea. They don't do what's right, they do what's profitable. What we do in the backyard use to be a right of passage for a young man. It's takes a college education these days to learn what dad taught you under an oak tree. 

 

You know what's different between 1950 and 2018? A few generations have come and gone. Marketing isn't selling to those that know and have done. Their selling to ignorance and fear and doing well at it. It's how change is effected sir. You don't have to convince anyone. You just have give society enough time to forget. Or make a law that forces the situation. NOW they will ban the sale of Kerosene. 

[TEWNCfarms]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

So what worked for what, 60 + years and in print in manufactures writings is no longer acceptable because someone found a way to monetize something else at a larger margin? There's an idea not worth having. Moving on isn't moving forward or even toward something better. My grandparents used baking soda for toothpaste until they died with a full head of pearly whites. What was Crest going to do soda didn't? Actually plain water and a toothbrush with floss does about what can be done.  K.I.S.S. "Teeth don't rot from food between your teeth; they rot from food ROTTING between your teeth". Quoting my dentist there.   

 

You say 'backyard' as if it's a swear word and yet consider yourself among (us)?  Tell a little secret. I still lap warped alloy heads for small engines on the garage's cement floor and finish them on a glass plate. The manufacture would have you buy a new head or invest in a milling machine. It's good business. Well, perhaps not "good' but you get the idea. They don't do what's right, they do what's profitable. What we do in the backyard use to be a right of passage for a young man. It's takes a college education these days to learn what dad taught you under an oak tree. 

 

You know what's different between 1950 and 2018? A few generations have come and gone. Marketing isn't selling to those that know and have done. Their selling to ignorance and fear and doing well at it. It's how change is effected sir. You don't have to convince anyone. You just have give society enough time to forget. Or make a law that forces the situation. NOW they will ban the sale of Kerosene. 

Amen!!!

[mookdoc6]

On ‎3‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 6:12 PM, sdeeter19555 said:

No, I'm speaking to more current offerings with good maintenance.

My coworker is a Audi gearhead, his son had to have a newer VW and it was sludged up...it had all the maintenance records, routine changes and good oil. It had a leaking valve cover, and he pulled the cover and scooped out sludge.

So it can happen in a modern vehicle with good maintenance, if the engine is susceptible to that.

Steve
2012 2500hd
 

Definitely problematic to new engine designs too!  Kerosene is something used more or less back in the day on farms.  Does it work yes!  Should you use it ummm...NO!

If your going to dump that into your crankcase better hope you have LARGE CAPACTIY and use small amount as it's not a LUBRICANT!  It's also Highly flammable!  Hence, KEORSENE?

 

You want to tear the heads off and SOAK in KEROSENE to CLEAN?  OK.....AFTER CLEANING and removing Kerosene you soak the heads again overnight in 10W-30 or another lubricant.  But please no, not in your crankcase........

[Grumpy Bear]

6 hours ago, mookdoc6 said:

Definitely problematic to new engine designs too!  Kerosene is something used more or less back in the day on farms.  Does it work yes!  Should you use it ummm...NO!

 

If your going to dump that into your crankcase better hope you have LARGE CAPACTIY and use small amount as it's not a LUBRICANT!  It's also Highly flammable!  Hence, KEORSENE?

Kerosene is composed of carbon chains that typically contain between 10 and 16 carbon atoms. Typical mineral based motor oil (dino juice) contains carbon lengths between 18 and 34 carbon atoms. 
 

C₁₀H₂₁CH=CH₂ That's the chemical symbol for 1-dodecene the primary molecule in POA based synthetic oil. Isn't is funny that the carbon count is dead middle of Kerosene ?  

 

The auto ignition temperature for Kerosene is 428F. Flammable, yes, 150F flash point. Gasoline is -45F flash so keep it real. And that 150F changes when in solution with motor oil. Law of partial pressures. 

 

And what's with LARGE CAPCITY. Do you run a gallon any flush fluid in your motors?  A pint to a quart in a warm motor idled for 20 minutes and drained. 

 

As noted much earlier this was part of you GM Owners manual for decades. It isn't some backwoods thing done on hillbilly farms by families with no forks in the tree. What to guess what an ingredient was in Wynn's friction Proof? 

 

 

[mookdoc6]

33 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Kerosene is composed of carbon chains that typically contain between 10 and 16 carbon atoms. Typical mineral based motor oil (dino juice) contains carbon lengths between 18 and 34 carbon atoms. 
 

C₁₀H₂₁CH=CH₂ That's the chemical symbol for 1-dodecene the primary molecule in POA based synthetic oil. Isn't is funny that the carbon count is dead middle of Kerosene ?  

 

The auto ignition temperature for Kerosene is 428F. Flammable, yes, 150F flash point. Gasoline is -45F flash so keep it real. And that 150F changes when in solution with motor oil. Law of partial pressures. 

 

And what's with LARGE CAPCITY. Do you run a gallon any flush fluid in your motors?  A pint to a quart in a warm motor idled for 20 minutes and drained. 

 

As noted much earlier this was part of you GM Owners manual for decades. It isn't some backwoods thing done on hillbilly farms by families with no forks in the tree. What to guess what an ingredient was in Wynn's friction Proof? 

 

 

Kerosene is composed of carbon chains that typically contain between 10 and 16 carbon atoms. Typical mineral based motor oil (dino juice) contains carbon lengths between 18 and 34 carbon atoms. 

 

Really, I don't advocate that it's a lubricant......Possibly but lubricants are specifically made for that intended function?  I didn't mention that it was some backwoods, Deliverance type movie scene?  That is all you bro!    I was implying, "that is what was done on farms years ago" we didn't run to the store and grab a can of BG?  My problem is advocating people to use it.....dumping it into your crankcase and playing with it has elements of danger and damage to ones vehicle.  Nothing crazy going on here,OK?  

[rjgti]

I have used both and they work well

[Grumpy Bear]

On ‎3‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 8:04 PM, mookdoc6 said:

Really, I don't advocate that it's a lubricant......Possibly but lubricants are specifically made for that intended function?  I didn't mention that it was some backwoods, Deliverance type movie scene?  That is all you bro!    I was implying, "that is what was done on farms years ago" we didn't run to the store and grab a can of BG?  My problem is advocating people to use it.....dumping it into your crankcase and playing with it has elements of danger and damage to ones vehicle.  Nothing crazy going on here,OK?  

Your preaching to a 40 year oil/gas/chemical stationary power plant operating engineer. I pretty much have a handle on the chemistry. Kerosene has a National Fire Protection Agency placard rating of 2. Requires moderate heating to be considered flammable. Your beloved BG has a rating of 1. More significant heating required. Read your MSDS 'light paraffinic hydrocarbon distillates'. Diesel lands between them in open cup flash point test results. I'm not denying it's moderately flammable. I am saying if you have enough mental energy to heat your own hair oil it can be used with reasonable safety in a well ventilated area.

 

IT WILL NOT KILL YOUR MOTOR. GM DID ADVOCATE IT'S USE FOR NORTH OF FIVE DECADES.

 

It didn't all the sudden become Nitroglycerin because BG monetized a chemical laden version of a similar distillate. 

 

BG Motor Flush isn't a lubricant either sir. They both break lubricants and the varnish and gum down and dilute the solids enough to get them in suspension so they can be dropped.  

[mookdoc6]

12 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Your preaching to a 40 year oil/gas/chemical stationary power plant operating engineer. I pretty much have a handle on the chemistry. Kerosene has a National Fire Protection Agency placard rating of 2. Requires moderate heating to be considered flammable. Your beloved BG has a rating of 1. More significant heating required. Read your MSDS 'light paraffinic hydrocarbon distillates'. Diesel lands between them in open cup flash point test results. I'm not denying it's moderately flammable. I am saying if you have enough mental energy to heat your own hair oil it can be used with reasonable safety in a well ventilated area.

 

IT WILL NOT KILL YOUR MOTOR. GM DID ADVOCATE IT'S USE FOR NORTH OF FIVE DECADES.

 

It didn't all the sudden become Nitroglycerin because BG monetized a chemical laden version of a similar distillate. 

 

BG Motor Flush isn't a lubricant either sir. They both break lubricants and the varnish and gum down and dilute the solids enough to get them in suspension so they can be dropped.  

40 years?  Great.....show me where I said, BG-EPR was a lubricant?  Never did!  Show me where I said, Kerosene never worked or that BG wasn't Kerosene?  Never did!

 

I am versed enough to know that both are SOLVENTS!  Kerosene does not come neatly packaged with a guarantee not to damage engine when using this as directed and amount?  I said, "if using kerosene be careful and hopefully you have large capacity crankcase"  I would only say that because next thing you know your buddy from ComED is pouring, I don't know maybe a 3/4 to 1 quart into his 4cly....no I never really looked into it I know it was burning oil...yeah, probably was low 1/2 to 3/4 qt low before I dumped it into the motor..........WOW....30-40% is now straight Solvent!  

 

ATTA a boy bud!  Tell em to just dump a pint?  that is what usually happens...Grumpy, what is a pint to somebody under 40?  Yeah...It's like telling you to buy some Litecoin?

 

See, I don't post to post and shoot from the hip? Grumpy, But I am sure you already know this......

What is a MSDS?   They are actually SDS's..........glad I went to school for 12years...that is for another day........but hey your into semantics it's obvious......... GM clearly does not want consumer JOE putting "Kerosene" into engine for legalities obviously...

[Grumpy Bear]

Quote: "Show me where I said, Kerosene never worked or that BG wasn't Kerosene"?

 

Material Safety Data Sheet. (MSDS). Been called that forever. 

 

 https://corporate.murphyusa.com/content/documents/MSDS_PDFs/kerosene.pdf

 

Here's an example for you. 

 

So what your saying is the packaging and warning labels justify the 10X cost to keep someone from doing something stupid. Got a secret for ya. Printed words never kept anyone from being stupid. If your sited moron who doesn't 'read' his dipstick and thus his 3 quart crankcase is near empty, then won't 'read' the labeling on the can either.

 

Okay. Let's end this. NEVER EVER USE KEROSENE AS A FLUSH. Happy?  

[sdeeter19555]

Quote: "Show me where I said, Kerosene never worked or that BG wasn't Kerosene"?
 
Material Safety Data Sheet. (MSDS). Been called that forever. 
 
 https://corporate.murphyusa.com/content/documents/MSDS_PDFs/kerosene.pdf
 
Here's an example for you. 
 
So what your saying is the packaging and warning labels justify the 10X cost to keep someone from doing something stupid. Got a secret for ya. Printed words never kept anyone from being stupid. If your sited moron who doesn't 'read' his dipstick and thus his 3 quart crankcase is near empty, then won't 'read' the labeling on the can either.
 
Okay. Let's end this. NEVER EVER USE KEROSENE AS A FLUSH. Happy?  

Showing your age...they are not MSDS any longer, they are SDS (Safety Data Sheets) ever since global harmonization occurred probably five years ago...if you find an MSDS, it is old.

2012 2500hd 6.0l CCSB 4wd

[Colossus]

put the measuring sticks away, boys.  we've pretty well established 1 certain thing.  No matter what experience you have or how old you are, someone will always be smarter and better than you are. 

[Daniel Guerra]

I have an 2013 Silverado 5.3 4x4 z71 with 40,000 miles on it and I got my oil changed and put full synthetic in it and I drove less then 70 miles after the oil change and now my engine is ticking. When it started my stability and traction control lights came on and my engine light is on. I'm not no car mechanic so I don't what to do. I was wondering if a engine flush will help stop the ticking or is it something else. Would really appreciate all the advice 

[diyer2]

30 minutes ago, Daniel Guerra said:

I have an 2013 Silverado 5.3 4x4 z71 with 40,000 miles on it and I got my oil changed and put full synthetic in it and I drove less then 70 miles after the oil change and now my engine is ticking. When it started my stability and traction control lights came on and my engine light is on. I'm not no car mechanic so I don't what to do. I was wondering if a engine flush will help stop the ticking or is it something else. Would really appreciate all the advice 

Did you check the oil level?

[Black02Silverado]

36 minutes ago, Daniel Guerra said:

I have an 2013 Silverado 5.3 4x4 z71 with 40,000 miles on it and I got my oil changed and put full synthetic in it and I drove less then 70 miles after the oil change and now my engine is ticking. When it started my stability and traction control lights came on and my engine light is on. I'm not no car mechanic so I don't what to do. I was wondering if a engine flush will help stop the ticking or is it something else. Would really appreciate all the advice 

Just curious as to who changed the oil and what brand oil filter was used?