Autopilot Mods

[flyingfool]

so I stumbled across this company called comma Ai,  who sells an autopilot kit for most new cars that have the correct sensors to run your truck down the road like a tesla. only issue i see on our trucks is lack of a steering servo system, anychance a tricked out Denali on the K2 platform had these parts needed for autonimous mode?

 

the main product

https://comma.ai/shop/products/eon-gold-dashcam-devkit

 

obd11 can interface with software , the comma cabana software looks like a hackers wet dream!

https://www.slashgear.com/comma-ais-panda-is-a-88-gateway-to-hacking-your-car-07490878/

[dieselfan1]

Stupid idea.

See you in the ditch.

[tmo]

This is a cool concept. I’m gonna show this to my brother, he’s an aerospace engineer, he will know what to do with this and the programming. [emoji23] I think of you have lane keep assist, you are basically there, just a matter of programming.

[truckguy82]

Got excited when I clicked on thread, but all we are looking at is tack on hardware and open source software.

 

I am a realist and Iove auto pilot. Can’t wait to own a car with it. But I’m 100% not trusting open source autonomous driving software.

 

Definitely not trusting anything to take the wheel of my car unless the company that designed it has billions of dolllars to lose and there are thousands of other people using it without issue.

 

 

[flyingfool]

sure it's tacked on hardware, what do you want for $600.. you think your getting testla quality components for this price?? lol the obd2 hack software is almost as capable as $10,000 CAN software..

this is called level2 autominous driving. tesla is level 4 or 5. you cant fall asleep at the wheel on this.  it uses radar  and camera image to maintain speed, distance and lane correction.  touch the gas or brake and it shuts off like cruise control

[truckguy82]

5 minutes ago, flyingfool said:

sure it's tacked on hardware, what do you want for $600.. you think your getting testla quality components for this price?? lol the obd2 hack software is almost as capable as $10,000 CAN software..

Thats not what I’m talking about, the hardware is not a huge concern to me. How Autopilot functions is 95% software. I don’t trust open source for that. It could be a semi-reputable software manufacturer or a 16 year old kid in his parents basement, I’m not letting that have control of a single servo on my vehicle.

 

All this is, is hardware that allows you to create your own software. That's insanely ****ing complicated. It's not an open source phone app where you can read a few books, teach yourself some programming, and have autopilot. Anything short of a major r&d budget of fortune 100 company would scare the shit out of me.

 

 

 

 

[garagerog]

All I have to say about autonomous vehicles is just ask someone in Montana how they would trust one to navigate through their epic early fall snowfall.

[truckguy82]

3 hours ago, garagerog said:

All I have to say about autonomous vehicles is just ask someone in Montana how they would trust one to navigate through their epic early fall snowfall.

You would just turn it off and take manual control?

 

in the real world, in the future, the cars will likely have all us roads mapped. Like if you drive down a dirt road the car will image it and remember it. Then when snowfall comes, it will already know the path it’s supposed to take.

 

As for just simply having traction issues, a computer in the near future will certainly be more capable than even the most skilled rally car driver at driving in snow. A computer can brake and apply power to individual tires with reaction times far faster than any human. It’s perfectly logical to assume that eventually it will be able to control a vehicle like something out of mission impossible. Like a perfectly timed 274 degree spin in one direction and then a 750 degree spin in another direction to avoid collision with multiple objects. Basically the car can move in any direction it wants with almost instant reaction time. Which is theoretically enough to avoid pretty much anything short of a buffalo stampede that suddenly appeared in front of you over a blind crest.

 

There is a logical solution that is possible with current tech capabilities to any situation you can think of.

[garagerog]

I should have clarified "fully" autonomous vehicles. From what I've seen that's what Mary Barra wants us to drive in the future, no controls whatsoever. But hey, at least the kids and grandkids won't have to worry about taking drivers training!

[aseibel]

4 hours ago, truckguy82 said:

Definitely not trusting anything to take the wheel of my car unless the company that designed it has billions of dolllars to lose and there are thousands of other people using it without issue.

Yep. The technology exists, but there is too much at stake for me to trust a computer to drive while I take a nap.

 

What does it do when a bicycle, child, deer, dog, cat, bird or butterfly cross in front of the camera or radar sensor? We need to know how this thing is going to respond so it is safe enough to not run over a pedestrian, but yet it doesn't trigger a chain reaction crash by locking up the brakes unnecessarily. That's a lot of testing that needs to be done before I trust it.

 

If a major auto maker is standing behind it, that makes me feel better that their lawyers have signed off on any risks.

[truckguy82]

34 minutes ago, aseibel said:

Yep. The technology exists, but there is too much at stake for me to trust a computer to drive while I take a nap.

 

What does it do when a bicycle, child, deer, dog, cat, bird or butterfly cross in front of the camera or radar sensor? We need to know how this thing is going to respond so it is safe enough to not run over a pedestrian, but yet it doesn't trigger a chain reaction crash by locking up the brakes unnecessarily. That's a lot of testing that needs to be done before I trust it.

 

If a major auto maker is standing behind it, that makes me feel better that their lawyers have signed off on any risks.

We are aways away from taking a nap while your car drives. Even the best systems still obviously struggle with a lot of routine scenarios. There are plenty of youtubers that put them to the test and have to take over manual control very often.

 

When it eventually does happen, I’m sure you will trust it real quick when it does an impeccable job of driving and there are millions of other people doing it, and billions of miles logged without incident.

[truckguy82]

Mostly what scares me with a diy autopilot solution is the lack of ability to take manual control. I’d maybe trust an adaptive cruise if you the controls of the cruise default to the oem car controls, ie one touch of the brake = cruise disengaged.

 

But the steering input, what if the car wants to steer and does not allow my hands to override the control. Maybe if I knew for a fact my arms were 10x stronger than the servo motor.

[tmo]

Yep. The technology exists, but there is too much at stake for me to trust a computer to drive while I take a nap.
 
What does it do when a bicycle, child, deer, dog, cat, bird or butterfly cross in front of the camera or radar sensor? We need to know how this thing is going to respond so it is safe enough to not run over a pedestrian, but yet it doesn't trigger a chain reaction crash by locking up the brakes unnecessarily. That's a lot of testing that needs to be done before I trust it.
 
If a major auto maker is standing behind it, that makes me feel better that their lawyers have signed off on any risks.

Here at Texas A&M we already have an autonomous shuttle that navigates though pedestrians walking in front of it, bikes, birds, scooters. There is typically not one but multiple cameras and sensors that operate these vehicles.. like humans have 2 eyes to judge depth. The tech and testing is finished and ready for the most part. It just needs to be cheaper to make it into the hands of the consumer.

[aseibel]

7 minutes ago, tmo said:

Here at Texas A&M we already have an autonomous shuttle that navigates though pedestrians walking in front of it

 

Cool.

I'm curious about how fast it goes? does it stop abruptly if some impatient kid tries to run in front of it? does is slow down gently?

 

I googled it found this:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/27/20834921/texas-am-self-driving-shuttle-designated-driver-remote

 

Seems like they still don't trust the shuttles to operate without the aid of human control, either riding in or remotely.

[flyingfool]

2 hours ago, truckguy82 said:

Mostly what scares me with a diy autopilot solution is the lack of ability to take manual control. I’d maybe trust an adaptive cruise if you the controls of the cruise default to the oem car controls, ie one touch of the brake = cruise disengaged.

 

But the steering input, what if the car wants to steer and does not allow my hands to override the control. Maybe if I knew for a fact my arms were 10x stronger than the servo motor.

what you should be concerned with is not having your obd2 port on lock down, a hacker can place a usb dongle into your port without you knowing, and easily force your truck into a wide open throttle situation while driving off a steep mountain pass. the security issue is the obd port and maybe the GPS on the roof top.