Coronavirus

The Zip · April 27, 2020

22 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

Doctors told Trump many will die you need to isolate.

You're right, the recommendation to isolate was theirs. The decision to isolate was not. In a scenario like this pandemic, the decision maker can't be concerned with what people think vs following what advisors recommend what is right.

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KARNUT · April 27, 2020

You're right, the recommendation to isolate was theirs. The decision to isolate was not. In a scenario like this pandemic, the decision maker can't be concerned with what people think vs following what advisors recommend what is right.

Down the road he’ll say what he really thought. They didn’t isolate for H1-N1. When it first hit it was just like this one. It hit 1000 deaths before any thought was given to it. No isolation order was given. You do remember who was President? Political? Cover given? Naw of course not.

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Ithan Henry · April 27, 2020

23 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

Down the road he’ll say what he really thought. They didn’t isolate for H1-N1. When it first hit it was just like this one. It hit 1000 deaths before any thought was given to it. No isolation order was given. You do remember who was President? Political? Cover given? Naw of course not.

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C'mon now. No cherry picking here. Trump shut down travel from China early on which was a good move, and it came from recommendations by his experts. Trump issued social distancing guidelines which was a good move, and it came from recommendations by his experts. The "buck" stops at his desk, good or bad. The decisions were his to make as president. He called himself a "wartime" president, he needs to own his decisions and lead this country out of this pandemic.

And we don't need to wait to see what he really thought. Just go watch the videos from January.

KARNUT · April 27, 2020

C'mon now. No cherry picking here. Trump shut down travel from China early on which was a good move, and it came from recommendations by his experts. Trump issued social distancing guidelines which was a good move, and it came from recommendations by his experts. The "buck" stops at his desk, good or bad. The decisions were his to make as president. He called himself a "wartime" president, he needs to own his decisions and lead this country out of this pandemic.

And we don't need to wait to see what he really thought. Just go watch the videos from January.

You really think with today’s medications and communications upwards of 100-200K people we’re going to die? Hardly. You been awake these last few years. He had no choice, no matter what he thought.

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KARNUT · April 27, 2020

Just read an article in the New York post. The malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine was the most effective drug treatment when used for mild to severe symptoms. Of course this was from overseas where they’re not interested in discrediting a president. In contrast it seems only to be used here at a last resort. With the cards stacked against it.

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The Zip · April 27, 2020

Read the Smithfield meat packing plant was an essential "must stay open" business in South Dakota. Employee interviews said they were getting sick and only one arm length apart without appropriate gear for protection. If state gov and the company CEO (or plant manager) would have allowed one of every two employees stay home to recover, the company would have achieved social distancing by default. Their closed "essential plant" would have produced less, but they would have remained open.

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mookdoc6 · April 27, 2020

Seems like I am slightly off on my previous numbers .3-.7 CFR I still error on more pessimistic side but realize that it's looking more closely to be far less than .7

Too much Garbage data to skew imo even USA data is conflicting. Add the other jurisdictions, WHO and CDC etc. Jeesh nightmare global pile of GARBAGE DATA...but cream and truth rises to the TOP so give it more time folks before you realize "DID I GET THAT STUPID OVER THIS?" Yes, you did....Also, now that we're into the 50k's DEAD in USA it's falling flat on it's face... shocked I am because this is not some outer space Virus or is it? Even that number is garbage imo but who am I? It's decelerating nicely so staying home for another month in 90% of USA is absurdly idiotic.

Ithan Henry · April 27, 2020

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

You really think with today’s medications and communications upwards of 100-200K people we’re going to die? Hardly. You been awake these last few years. He had no choice, no matter what he thought.

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I've been listening to him for a while now. He only changes course when he's wrong and wants to save face.

BTW, did you know the only flu that's been deadlier than COVID-19 in the past 10 years was in 2017-18.

KARNUT · April 27, 2020

I've been listening to him for a while now. He only changes course when he's wrong and wants to save face.

BTW, did you know the only flu that's been deadlier than COVID-19 in the past 10 years was in 2017-18.

Yes I mentioned that earlier in this thread. Plus many hospitalizations. I believe it was over 800K. And that’s with a vaccine.

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Ithan Henry · April 27, 2020

9 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

Yes I mentioned that earlier in this thread. Plus many hospitalizations. I believe it was over 800K. And that’s with a vaccine.

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Exactly my point. The "vaccine" has been social distancing, which is a serious response, and it still hasn't kept it under the flu numbers which we already acknowledge are high.

Let me pose this question. Without social distancing, how much worse do you think this would have been? I'm curious if you think other major cities would have suffered as much as NYC.

Ithan Henry · April 27, 2020

26 minutes ago, mookdoc6 said:

It's decelerating nicely so staying home for another month in 90% of USA is absurdly idiotic.

What do you attribute the deceleration to?

KARNUT · April 27, 2020

Exactly my point. The "vaccine" has been social distancing, which is a serious response, and it still hasn't kept it under the flu numbers which we already acknowledge are high.

Let me pose this question. Without social distancing, how much worse do you think this would have been? I'm curious if you think other major cities would have suffered as much as NYC.

I answered this clearly through out this thread. Mardi Gras New Orleans, California, Houston live stock show and Rodeo, spring break especially Miami. Early on had the crowds. Not near the cases as New York. I believe it has to do with age, underlying health issues. A rolling isolation, possibly. Nation wide not necessarily.

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Ithan Henry · April 27, 2020

13 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I answered this clearly through out this thread. Mardi Gras New Orleans, California, Houston live stock show and Rodeo, spring break especially Miami. Early on had the crowds. Not near the cases as New York. I believe it has to do with age, underlying health issues. A rolling isolation, possibly. Nation wide not necessarily.

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I know you mentioned them earlier, but those few isolated incidents would have had infection rates curbed once they returned to social distancing. I was just curious. Thanks for the reply.

mookdoc6 · April 27, 2020

30 minutes ago, Ithan Henry said:

What do you attribute the deceleration to?

All of the above? Unbelievablely, gallant global effort of of mitigation techniques, education, awareness and normal viral course? Don't think it's just one tactic SON it takes a village to stop Viral spread. It's nearly impossible.

mookdoc6 · April 27, 2020

31 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I answered this clearly through out this thread. Mardi Gras New Orleans, California, Houston live stock show and Rodeo, spring break especially Miami. Early on had the crowds. Not near the cases as New York. I believe it has to do with age, underlying health issues. A rolling isolation, possibly. Nation wide not necessarily.

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I mean New Orleans is going to have the Problem...Over and Over and over...1st it was Seattle has a problem, Florida? etc. etc. The only major problematic Urban area I see is CHICAGO it's been going on for weeks their attitudes and cultures are showing......