Coronavirus

Likarok · April 29, 2020

4 hours ago, KARNUT said:

That kind of comparison is useless and has no purpose. The comparison should be whether to have isolation or not. Just how many are really infected and who really is at risk. Just in case there’s a next wave. The Vietnam war and after proved unless you’re in it to win don’t do it. Plus those deaths were youngsters with whole lives ahead of the them. Most people who get this bug are at the other end of the spectrum. And can stay at home. Comparison for comparison sake doesn’t accomplish much, other than gee wiz.

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Well there you go!

Grumpy Bear · April 29, 2020

What is a pointless comparison is this to seasonal flu.

This is now the 4th deadliest non war year in US history.

Soon will be the third.

H1N1 1918 675,000 dead USA

H2H2 1957 116,000 dead USA

H3N2 1968 68,000 dead USA

2SARS 2020 60,726 dead USA and counting.

H1N1 2009 12,469 dead USA mutation of 1918 strain.

More people have died of COVID-19 than Small Pox, Yellow Fever, Cholera, Scarlet Fever, Typhoid, Diphtheria, Polio, Measles, Whooping cough or HIV for any given year and it's been done in a fraction of time no matter what data you use for the start.

This is a NEW virus. NOBODY has it dead ringer. We know NOTHING.

What is pointless is to act as if "We have this". Not just pointless but dangerous.

KARNUT · April 29, 2020

What is a pointless comparison is this to seasonal flu.
This is now the 4th deadliest non war year in US history.
Soon will be the third.

H1N1 1918 675,000 dead USA
H2H2 1957 116,000 dead USA
H3N2 1968 68,000 dead USA
2SARS 2020 60,726 dead USA and counting.
H1N1 2009 12,469 dead USA mutation of 1918 strain.

More people have died of COVID-19 than Small Pox, Yellow Fever, Cholera, Scarlet Fever, Typhoid, Diphtheria, Polio, Measles, Whooping cough or HIV for any given year and it's been done in a fraction of time no matter what data you use for the start.

This is a NEW virus. NOBODY has it dead ringer. We know NOTHING.

What is pointless is to act as if "We have this". Not just pointless but dangerous.

The 68 flu lasted until 1972, it kept coming back and killed mostly old people over 65, kinda like this one. A little over 100K. No shut down. But of course the other shoe will drop. And will take a little longer. The effects of the shut down.

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KARNUT · April 29, 2020

We had a little saying in my family called cussing and discussing. One got more results than the other. Usually the cussing started when a person point is challenged and there’s no wiggle room. No matter how the results change in time. And they are changing.

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Ithan Henry · April 29, 2020

13 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

We had a little saying in my family called cussing and discussing. One got more results than the other. Usually the cussing started when a person point is challenged and there’s no wiggle room. No matter how the results change in time. And they are changing.

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Exactly, once the expletives start flying I already know that person has nothing reasonable left to say.

Cpl_Punishment · April 30, 2020

Grumpy Bear · April 30, 2020

3 hours ago, Ithan Henry said:

Exactly, once the expletives start flying I already know that person has nothing reasonable left to say.

And EXACTLY which "expletive" did I use?

3 hours ago, KARNUT said:

We had a little saying in my family called cussing and discussing. One got more results than the other. Usually the cussing started when a person point is challenged and there’s no wiggle room. No matter how the results change in time. And they are changing.

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Oh yes they are and not for the better nor in your favor. What part of 60K dead are you missing exactly?

Grumpy Bear · April 30, 2020

Here's the thing. When a person NEEDS a particular outcome and that outcome runs counter to the truth there is no amount of reasoning, no amount of data, no amount of facts, when counter to that need, that will change that persons mind or argument.

Here's a hard fact. You NEED this to be a certain way. I actually understand. You have a personal life long stake in this. Your family does. SO...this isn't a discussion. Is it? Never has been. This is a plea for a consensus you're never going to achieve because it is beyond the ability of rational people to agree with the improbable and fallible. Beyond moral reason. Beyond moral certainty.

Nearly every statement you've made says you know the truth and you know the way out. The EXPERTS in every field readily admit they do not. That sir is absurd telling us that you have a one up on the world of medicine.

I've made no bones about it. I have no idea what a rational person would do other that follow Gods instructions. Listen and comply.

Ithan Henry · April 30, 2020

39 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

And EXACTLY which "expletive" did I use?

I never said you did. I was making a general statement based upon other posts.

Grumpy Bear · April 30, 2020

1 minute ago, Ithan Henry said:

I never said you did. I was making a general statement based upon other posts.

Sorry Ithan , seems it was a timing thing. My comment then yours. That crazy clown already tuned me up. Serious, Sorry.

Ithan Henry · April 30, 2020

35 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Sorry Ithan , seems it was a timing thing. My comment then yours. That crazy clown already tuned me up. Serious, Sorry.

No worries, it's all good.

KARNUT · April 30, 2020

Oh yes they are and not for the better nor in your favor. What part of 60K dead are you missing exactly?

As I said before, I’ll say it again. Once the hysteria subsides. What I’ve been saying will bare out. It already is. The damage from the shut down is already being discussed. The testing is changing percentages. It’s because isolated is being questioned, as it’s found more people had it. Yes death is awful. No matter how it’s caused.

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KARNUT · April 30, 2020

I visited my old business yesterday. There’s a total of 30 people who work there. I haven’t visited since before this virus. I ask my brother if anyone got sick there or any costumers mention anything. I’d had forgotten that in November a nasty flu had hit them. Everyone had gotten it. I was told to stay away at that time. Makes you wonder. Nothing so far. So far the flow of equipment coming in has slowed down. There’s still a back log, just not as deep.

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KARNUT · April 30, 2020

I’m getting anxious to take my first spring trip East. The only hold back is being able to used restrooms in places like Macdonalds etc. Doing a trip with my brother in law this week to Tennessee. He has a truck and camper there for a temporary transfer for his work. His transfer back started just as the shutdown hit. That went bust and turned into a lay-off with the whole shut down. Losing 15K transfer money to boot. He had 30 years with this company and was well regarded. Just imagine what’s happening to others around the U.S. Some think I’m influenced by what’s happening with family members. Most are fairing pretty good or better with the shut down. My brother in law is looking forward to a break. May have to give up a few things. My real estate family members are doing better. More house hunters. My daughter who does hair. Is actually making more on unemployment. She use to complain about time off. No more. So we’re good as a whole. I just see the pain that’s coming.

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