Time to say good-bye

man00 · June 12, 2023

Traded my 2006 Chevy Silverado other day and got a Nissan Frontier.

The chey has been pretty good overall truck, I bought in 2006 and drove it daily without much issues.

The HVAC had some issues over the last couple of years, upholstery falling down and dry rotted.

Other than that very solid truck

Thanks for all the help and information I got of here

asilverblazer · June 12, 2023

Newest generation Frontier?

I would be hard pressed to find how the last generation was better in any way to your old truck.

man00 · June 14, 2023

2018 with 15,000 miles

asilverblazer · June 14, 2023

Not knowing the condition of your old truck... most reports I've heard are that the mpgs and performance will be similar, the cabin size smaller and capability less.

Curious how you think they compare.

KARNUT · June 14, 2023

25 minutes ago, asilverblazer said:

Not knowing the condition of your old truck... most reports I've heard are that the mpgs and performance will be similar, the cabin size smaller and capability less.

Curious how you think they compare.

I guess you missed that it was old and worn out. The new one is well, newer. I have a pristine 02 avalanche. I drive it for nostalgia reasons. It doesn’t compare with the newness of my 16 odyssey. He probably got a good deal.

man00 · June 14, 2023

The Silverado was the better truck when is was newer and less miles for sure...I just wanted something newer, the 5.3 had no issues at all. The Nissan shouldn't have any problem pulling my 16' trailer since I no longer have a tractor..just mowers when they need to go to the shop, 1400 pound is most one of them weights

swathdiver · June 15, 2023

On 6/12/2023 at 12:15 PM, man00 said:

Traded my 2006 Chevy Silverado other day and got a Nissan Frontier.

The chey has been pretty good overall truck, I bought in 2006 and drove it daily without much issues.

The HVAC had some issues over the last couple of years, upholstery falling down and dry rotted.

Other than that very solid truck

Thanks for all the help and information I got of here

See you soon after you miss being behind the wheel of one of the General's trucks!

asilverblazer · June 16, 2023

On 6/14/2023 at 1:31 PM, KARNUT said:

I guess you missed that it was old and worn out. The new one is well, newer. I have a pristine 02 avalanche. I drive it for nostalgia reasons. It doesn’t compare with the newness of my 16 odyssey. He probably got a good deal.

I get old an worn out... but the degree can vary. My question/point/curiosity is what level of old and worn out was required in order for the midsize truck to tip the scales in the OP's favor.

I have a hard time finding the mid size trucks competitive with a fullsize. Because (Not to be offensive but particularly the Frontiers especially aged platform) they deliver less power from their smaller engines with out an appreciable bump in mpg's. Maintenance costs will be the same. Capability will be less payload and towing. Comfort will take a hit via the smaller cabin, and ride quality won't be any better. The only benefit is a lower purchase price and perhaps better maneuverability.

So, I'm curious about the OPs thinking on the matter about what his "pros" for the choice are.

NOT trying to insult someone's new truck or decision, my comments are either what I've heard or experienced on the balance of compact trucks vs. full size.

Also, of note the newer platforms are seeming to provide a better mix of attractiveness compared to a fullsize.

KARNUT · June 16, 2023

10 hours ago, asilverblazer said:

I get old an worn out... but the degree can vary. My question/point/curiosity is what level of old and worn out was required in order for the midsize truck to tip the scales in the OP's favor.

I have a hard time finding the mid size trucks competitive with a fullsize. Because (Not to be offensive but particularly the Frontiers especially aged platform) they deliver less power from their smaller engines with out an appreciable bump in mpg's. Maintenance costs will be the same. Capability will be less payload and towing. Comfort will take a hit via the smaller cabin, and ride quality won't be any better. The only benefit is a lower purchase price and perhaps better maneuverability.

So, I'm curious about the OPs thinking on the matter about what his "pros" for the choice are.

NOT trying to insult someone's new truck or decision, my comments are either what I've heard or experienced on the balance of compact trucks vs. full size.

Also, of note the newer platforms are seeming to provide a better mix of attractiveness compared to a fullsize.

There’s plenty of things to consider. The easiest is the purchaser likes it. Looking up on the net they’re not bad trucks just not as technically advanced. There’re probably cheaper. People do buy them new. I drive an avalanche, basically a suburban. My all time favorite truck. I’m considering a maverick type truck for my next one. I have too many vehicles now for different purposes. Getting older I want to lessen the load. The other consideration is my wife has a hard time getting into a regular truck. Then there’s the cost. You can get a smaller well equipped truck new. The same equipped full sized is 20K higher. The biggest consideration for me is GM trucks after 2006 have cylinder deactivation. No thanks.

Grumpy Bear · June 16, 2023

11 hours ago, asilverblazer said:

I get old an worn out... but the degree can vary. My question/point/curiosity is what level of old and worn out was required in order for the midsize truck to tip the scales in the OP's favor.

Frontier is on my radar. 310 hp V6 is about the same power I have now on E-85. Does not have AFM/DOD and is DOHC. SIDI. Looks pretty sophisticated to me. 9 speed automatic with a good reputation. King cab (2 door) is still available. Woo-Hoo. Weights about the same. Haul is half. Not an issue. Go figure. A half ton limited a half a ton. Amazing. Tow is only a few hundred less. Not an issue. About $20K less. Much smaller and my 6 foot body won't need to lower the truck or climb a ladder to check the oil. Pretty nice inside and the seat is WAY more comfortable. But that's just me dreaming. By the time Pepper is dead and in the ground I will be too. :crackup:

swathdiver · June 17, 2023

On 6/15/2023 at 9:45 PM, asilverblazer said:

I have a hard time finding the mid size trucks competitive with a fullsize.

This was my conclusion as well after comparing the various models 5 and ten years ago.

KARNUT · June 17, 2023

I think that’s the point. That’s why the maverick is so popular. Ram is on the verge of doing the same. Maybe GM is paying attention.

Grumpy Bear · June 17, 2023

They could try something innovative instead of 'me too'. Ya know, like perhaps perfect a platform instead of terra farming it into the jolly green giant or 'one upping'. Make a great hammer before you make it bigger or add Wi-Fi. :crackup:

KARNUT · June 17, 2023

17 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

They could try something innovative instead of 'me too'. Ya know, like perhaps perfect a platform instead of terra farming it into the jolly green giant or 'one upping'. Make a great hammer before you make it bigger or add Wi-Fi.

If everyone does it the price should be competitive. I’d love to see a GM version. I almost bought an S-10 V-8 years back. They were just a tad cheaper than a 1/2 ton. The Trailblazer SS was the last great GM deal in my opinion.

7milesout · June 20, 2023

Sounds like the OP did what he wanted to do, versus what he needed to do. Which is of course his prerogative. More power to him!

As an owner of 2 pickups (my dad passed and now his truck is mine, and I just can't sell it, for sentimental reasons), I was curious if any of the big 3 made a 2023 truck the equivalent of his 2003. I wouldn't buy a new one, they're grossly overpriced IMO. But I just like to know what's out there. In my opinion, what's available now is just crap. Big margin hunting crap.

My dad's 2003 is a 4.8L SCSB 2WD 4-speed auto. So, it's maybe the smallest full size truck that can be had with a V8. I wanted to know if the same existed now, and in particular with a manual transmission instead of an automatic. The answer is NOPE. As far as I could find, you can't get a manual transmission in any truck now, 1500, 2500 or 3500. There is no standard cab offered any longer. The smallest cab is whatever Ford calls their cab that has a little space behind. Something like a king cab. I can't remember this for sure, but I think it was even difficult to find a 2WD truck.

Based on that, do you think I'll sell my dad's pink unicorn? Nupe. I may make sort of a sport truck out of it. Already started. I've got it running good now and the rear dropped with shackles, level with the front. It may be just a touch higher in the rear, but much more level. But I won't go overboard on the 'sport' truck changes.

Anywho - I can't say I agree with the OP's move, but it is his prerogative. My dad was like that. He wouldn't NEED a new car or truck. He would want one, but felt like he had to come up with excuses like, the truck is making weird noises, I'm afraid it's about done, etc etc etc. I told him one time, you've raised a family well, you've been a diligent worker and God fearing. If you want a new truck / car, you've earned it, go get it.