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Hi,

 

I have a 2019 AT4 which is at the 5  year mark for brake fluid.  I haven't seen any posts on bleeding the brakes, just on pad replacements.  I wanted to confirm that no particular service mode is required for just bleeding, and it follows the same basic procedures as older models: add fluid, and pump out starting from RR, RL, FR, FL?

 

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1 hour ago, hoitzed said:

Hi,

 

I have a 2019 AT4 which is at the 5  year mark for brake fluid.  I haven't seen any posts on bleeding the brakes, just on pad replacements.  I wanted to confirm that no particular service mode is required for just bleeding, and it follows the same basic procedures as older models: add fluid, and pump out starting from RR, RL, FR, FL?

 

Thanks

 

 

A scan tool is required.  You have to deactivate the booster and also perform an automated bleed and hydraulic leak test.

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2 hours ago, newdude said:

 

 

A scan tool is required.  You have to deactivate the booster and also perform an automated bleed and hydraulic leak test.

 

Same procedure or the old-school method on a 2009 1500 4x4?

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1 hour ago, MaverickZ71 said:

 

Same procedure or the old-school method on a 2009 1500 4x4?

 

 

Old school on an 09 unless you think you need to bleed the ABS pump, there's a scan tool bleed for that.  

 

T1 trucks the booster is also the ABS module and pump and its all electronic and boost-by-wire.  The brake pedal is still attached to the "booster" but there is sensors and stuff to interpret the boost given.  

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Does that mean without the scantool on the T1's to turn off the booster, it just won't bleed, bleed incompletely, or result in other issues (CEL / malfunctions)?

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On 10/30/2024 at 1:17 PM, hoitzed said:

Does that mean without the scantool on the T1's to turn off the booster, it just won't bleed, bleed incompletely, or result in other issues (CEL / malfunctions)?

 

 

To change the fluid for the entire brake system, it must be disabled.  The lines are still manually bled as normal after that, but that can not be done unless the system is disabled.  

 

Steps are:

 

- Fill the reservoir to max

 

- Unplug the level sensor

 

- Disable the booster with a scan tool

 

- Do a "base bleed" aka a traditional bleed.  GM calls for doing it with a pressure bleeder tool.  

 

- Perform an automated brake bleed with a scan tool 

 

- Disable the booster with scan tool again and repeat the base bleed to get any remaining air out

 

- Perform hydraulic system test with scan tool.  If that fails after 3 attempts, inspect for leaks. 

 

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I just gravity bleed, keeping the MC full at all times to avoid ABS pump issues. 

Mostly clean fluid is better than none in the system in my personal vehicles. Drove multiple year Express vans on my job taken to over 250k miles for years than never had a brake fluid change as fleets don't do that. They just replace calipers and bleed enough to get the caliper working again when needed. 

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So I did a gravity bleed.. and our reservoirs are tiny! I may have let it get too low, and now I have no brakes at all.  The DIC is throwing all sorts of ESC, Brake, Trailer Brake, and ABS errors, and there is no stopping power.  Anything I should attempt before towing it to the dealer?

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1 hour ago, hoitzed said:

So I did a gravity bleed.. and our reservoirs are tiny! I may have let it get too low, and now I have no brakes at all.  The DIC is throwing all sorts of ESC, Brake, Trailer Brake, and ABS errors, and there is no stopping power.  Anything I should attempt before towing it to the dealer?

 

 

I'm gonna say it...but should have just taken it there to begin with.  Scan tool is needed to bleed it.  

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well deserved "i told you so".  $200 every 5 years, not worth the hassle of doing it yourself.  I just thought I'd give it a go since I had extra fluid from doing my canyon. Guess things changed quite a bit from 2017 to 2019..

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6 hours ago, hoitzed said:

well deserved "i told you so".  $200 every 5 years, not worth the hassle of doing it yourself.  I just thought I'd give it a go since I had extra fluid from doing my canyon. Guess things changed quite a bit from 2017 to 2019..

 

 

Was it a 15-22 Canyon?  Those take DOT 3, Silverado 19+up takes DOT 4.  3 and 4 are compatible, sure, however, GM does spec DOT 4 in there for its higher boiling points and I wouldn't go to the lower boiling spec DOT 3.  

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I end up using GDS2 for certain GM vehicle functions, including Brake System Plunger Motor Position Sensor Learn and the Hydraulic Circuit Installation Verification when doing some of the brake repairs on Tx trucks and SUVs. Some scan tools won't run the routine(s) properly.

 

I like to flush the brake fluid on my vehicles periodically, but unless you absolutely need to perform an automated bleed to rid the EBCM of fluid, then I would recommend a manual or pressurized flush/ exchange and call it a day. Do this with the battery disconnected and you won't have to run the aforementioned routines.

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I'm not sure if this should be a reply on this thread or a new topic, let me know if it's out of place. This my first post. Thanks

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