2020 5.3 Burning 2 QTs per 4k ish miles, trade it in?

[BIGDOGx]

38 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

Tundra had some problems initially with the new V-6. From what I’ve read the stepped in and took care of the problem. Now they seem fine. I know one guy with a new one, he’s very happy with it. My brother in law bought his daughter a VW SUV for college graduation. He’s only owned large GM SUVs. He’s so impressed his next vehicle will be their largest SUV.

The Tundra had block casting issues which left metal deposits in the engine and grenaded most of them. Let's not make hero's out of Toyota who left customers with torn apart brand new trucks repaired by dealership Tonys. I would be impressed if Toyota did the right thing here and buy back all effected trucks and replaced them with new ones, but they didnt do that and these customers all now have to hope the dealership mechanics did a thorough job with replacement. Toyota didnt have much of a choice here because their engines were self destroying themselves.

[KARNUT]

2 minutes ago, BIGDOGx said:

The Tundra had block casting issues which left metal deposits in the engine and grenaded most of them. Let's not make hero's out of Toyota who left customers with torn apart brand new trucks repaired by dealership Tonys. I would be impressed if Toyota did the right thing here and buy back all effected trucks and replaced them with new ones, but they didnt do that and these customers all now have to hope the dealership mechanics did a thorough job with replacement. Toyota didnt have much of a choice here because their engines were self destroying themselves.

I listen to a radio show called CarPro. He’s an X large Ford multiple dealership owner who started a radio show over 20 years ago to help the average vehicle buyer. He seems to have inside info on the manufacturers and costumer service. He periodically has high level manufacturer representatives on his show. According to him Toyota takes customer service seriously.  

[BIGDOGx]

18 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I listen to a radio show called CarPro. He’s an X large Ford multiple dealership owner who started a radio show over 20 years ago to help the average vehicle buyer. He seems to have inside info on the manufacturers and costumer service. He periodically has high level manufacturer representatives on his show. According to him Toyota takes customer service seriously.  

If you just bought a Tundra for say 58 grand and 2 months later the engine blew. Would Toyota just replacing the engine be enough for you? Would you be ok with dealership techs ripping apart a truck you have made 1 payment on? To me i dont see anywhere in that that tells me Toyota is a great above and beyond company. They have to replace the engine because it no longer works, engine replacement at that point is the bare minimum that can be done. As far as i know i have not heard of any other compensation to customers affected by it, all Toyota did was bare minimum of what they had to do here.

[KARNUT]

48 minutes ago, BIGDOGx said:

If you just bought a Tundra for say 58 grand and 2 months later the engine blew. Would Toyota just replacing the engine be enough for you? Would you be ok with dealership techs ripping apart a truck you have made 1 payment on? To me i dont see anywhere in that that tells me Toyota is a great above and beyond company. They have to replace the engine because it no longer works, engine replacement at that point is the bare minimum that can be done. As far as i know i have not heard of any other compensation to customers affected by it, all Toyota did was bare minimum of what they had to do here.

I understand they extended the warranty. And even if they didn’t have a problem yet their engine will be replaced if it’s in the model run. To answer your first question the only engine that ever failed on me was a V-10 in a 1 ton top of the line Ram. And yes changing the engine was satisfactory to me along with the extended warranty. I understand there’s some early failures with 6.2s that had similar problems that required significant wait times. 

[Offroad9730]

THEY DO consume more oil.  A GM mechanic told me it was the lifter design related to DFM.

I burn about a quart every 3000 miles.  Zero leaks.  Zero smoke.  But it's getting burned.  28K.  5.3L 10speed. 4x4 L84

How efficient of GM !

I flip the oil at 3000 miles now.  Crossing my finger the cam doesn't get ground down to a 'stick'.

[Offroad9730]

Thank God I still have my 1975 square body.  SO EASY to work on. The new ones? um no.  You can't do anything to them except change oil, oil filter, cabin filter, air filter,........and that's about it.  They don't want a guy to be "back yard" mechanics anymore.  That old 350 in my square body 'told' me everything just by the sound of it.  It was TOO GOOD. That's why you still see lots of 'em on the road - RUST and all !!  Sucks fuel like a MF - 10 mpg loaded or empty . and EATS spark plugs but is dependable.  I trust it MORE than my 2020. If my 2020 dies on the highway, it's tow truck time.  I carry a spare mechanical fuel pump, an electronic control module for the HEI and some basic hand tools in the OLD Chevy.  And glad I did. BOTH of those items failed, at different times but it was a very rare occurrence, if they did fail.  Only happened once on both items.  10 minutes later - back on the road.  You could easily get over 100,000 miles out of an old 350 if you treated it right.  Oil changes etc.  Easy.

[Offroad9730]

EARLY LS engines were pretty good.  6 bolt mains.  Coil on each cylinder.  Then they had to go to AFM and DFM.  It's a scam.  A money making scam.  They KNOW they will fail.  Shame on GM.

[KARNUT]

1 hour ago, Offroad9730 said:

EARLY LS engines were pretty good.  6 bolt mains.  Coil on each cylinder.  Then they had to go to AFM and DFM.  It's a scam.  A money making scam.  They KNOW they will fail.  Shame on GM.

In a controlled environment every little gain in mpg benefits GM. The expense of the additional parts and electronics doesn’t justify the added expense for the consumer if they fail. Even GM says it’s only good for 1/2 to maybe 1 & 1/2 mile per gallon. So there must be a benefit for GM. Over 2 years of testing for me I saw no gain on or off. I  will not buy a vehicle with any kind of cylinder deactivation. I’m lucky I found a good used truck without it. Funny I have an odyssey with it. If it weren’t for the light you can’t tell. I can’t test it, I can’t turn it off easily. And no I didn’t buy it. Would I buy another odyssey? Possible. I’m researching to see if they have problems with it. I’m come to like minivans. Yea, I can’t believe it either. Could I buy another GM? Anything possible if the price is right.