TRIAX SRT 0W30, 5W30 DEXOS 1 Gen 2

Grumpy Bear · June 9, 2021

https://www.triaxlubricants.com/technology-performance

Under $9 a quart and DEXOS 1 Gen 2 compatible.

Add another to the growing list.

Edited June 10, 2021 by Grumpy Bear

Grumpy Bear · June 11, 2021

https://www.triaxlubricants.com/files/products/product_content/TRIAX_SYNERGY_SRT_Full_Synthetic_Oils_-_SDS-1.pdf

Look under section 3 composition.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Grumpy Bear

Grumpy Bear · June 25, 2021

I've had a rethink on this product and would add it to my short list. Here's why. ANY oil that uses a PAO or a Group III is using an oil with great heat and oxidation resistance properties and the worst solvency among current choices. That means two things. It needs more detergent but low solvency means it can't hold most additives in solution. The Aniline Point is too high. This is why, as good as these oils are, they need the help of a polar component. A blend.

Blenders have two choices of blend stocks. Either something with more aromatics, Group I or/and Group II which must be blended in a high percentage to be effective and give back a large part of the primary fluids advantages OR blend with a small portion of selected Group V fluids such as Diesters, Polyol Esters or PAG's and ENHANCE the already good properties of the PAO/Group III.

TRIAX did this right in choosing Group V's as the aniline suppressant. And the consumer benefits from a lower priced fluid.

diyer2 · June 25, 2021

What are you looking for? New oil for what vehicle?

You have tried Redline and Amsoil I believe.

Grumpy Bear · June 25, 2021

2 hours ago, diyer2 said:

What are you looking for? New oil for what vehicle?

You have tried Redline and Amsoil I believe.

The truth.

This started as a quest to find the oils that were in their entirely Synthetic products. I don't mean 'marketing' synthetics but synthetic as the English word defines. Cooking an egg in the presents of butter does not make the egg synthetic even if it adds fats to yokes than are not naturally occurring. Hydrocracking and Hydrotreating a mineral oil does not make it synthetic either anymore than reforming gasoline makes it a synthetic.

Ethyne (Acetylene) is not a naturally occurring substance, it is created, thus a synthetic hydrocarbon, and yet an alkane H2C2. Ethane and Ethylene are naturally occurring but Ethylene is also MADE from Ethane and natural gas by cracking and distilling in larger volumes than occur in nature. It is NOT however a synthetic material even if it is synthesized. It occurs naturally. See the difference? You can't assemble something that already exist and call it something that never existed. Your just making more of something found in nature. Rubbish!!

And yet by 'law' any synthesized product can now call itself synthetic. Thank you very much Exxon/Mobil for once again tearing up the English language for profit.

Anyway the list of oils that contain no mineral based so called marketing synthetics is a really REALLY short list.

To date I have but two. Red Line HP and MPT 30K. There are a few more I suspect but can not get the data to confirm.

For your second question. Pepper is returning to Red Line HP on the next oil change. I just bought a stash yesterday. When that is done I fully expect to run MPT 30K and extend the interval to 7,500 miles IF the TBN holds up to more than 5 by 5K.

The Buicks will return and remain on Red Line HP. The Terrain on COSTCO Kirkland unless my upcoming experiment with TRAIX S7 yields a motor once again oil consumption free. It works then it will go to TRAIX when the current supply of Kirkland is gone. I may not even have it by then. The Honda has earned her keep and rusting out. Whatever in her on 2500 OCI's.

TMI?

diyer2 · June 25, 2021

Thanks

Grumpy Bear · July 4, 2021

VOA

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/triax-synergy-srt-5w30.335372/

diyer2 · July 4, 2021

100% full synthetic oil?

Redline, Triax Synergy and MPT Thirty K correct.

diyer2 · July 4, 2021

What do you think of this oil? https://mptindustries.com/product-category/standard-full-synthetic-motor-oil/

Similar to Amsoil OE?

Is one better?

Grumpy Bear · July 4, 2021

I'll give them a look and PM you.

Grumpy Bear · July 4, 2021

3 hours ago, diyer2 said:

100% full synthetic oil?

Redline, Triax Synergy and MPT Thirty K correct.

Red Line's HP series and MPT 30K are full PAO/POE oils, No mineral oil of any kind. 100% Synthetics. By anyone's definition.

TRIAX SRT line is Group III/PAO/Ester blend. What I would call a "Marketing Full Synthetic" and frankly one that is done right from a base oil view point. It's what ALL Full Synthetics were meant to be. I'll still investigating the SRT line. It's a total onion peeling exercise. Took me a month to get basic email contact. They, until a few years ago, were military and industrial suppliers. Small office staff hiring out the bull work to third parties to their specs. Until I get this unraveled this is still a 3K oil which makes it pricy. I base this on the 'in the bottle' TBN.

I have not looked into any company's OE style oils. I really haven't had an interest to be frank. Yet. that said I still haven't found an oil, including these, I would run over 5K nor an 'off the shelf' oil SN or newer I would run more than 3K. It may take me awhile. This is harder than you think. Few want these things known.

I'm guessing that when the SAE reduced the ZZDP levels and Calcium levels to meet the SN spec that this also increased the MINIMUM REQUIRED aniline point ADDITION levels. Oil's didn't have to hold as much additive as they did SM and older. That mean l lower volume of the 'same' blend material OR more volume of a "weaker" material. In any event that blend material could now be called an "Additive" and not a "Base Oil" and there isn't a maximum percentage that is placed on the additive package. If you follow all that Group II became the aniline additive and it moved from base oil to additive and from 5 to 15% to HALF the bottle. A bit of legal trickery. You couldn't win a challenge in in open court but you could win it with Economic Votes IF the truth was known. THUS all the cloak and dagger.

They make more $$$ and the public suffers. When both the detergents AND the acid neutralizers are cut back AND the recommended OCI is increased????? Less TUMS and more Ghost Peppers please.

TxVet33 · July 4, 2021

@$10 a quart. Nope.

diyer2 · July 4, 2021

Thanks Grumpy.

I would think Amsoils OE line would be better than most off the shelf full synthetic oils like Valvoline, Pennzoil, Castrol Etc.

Agree?

KARNUT · July 4, 2021

17 minutes ago, diyer2 said:

Thanks Grumpy.

I would think Amsoils OE line would be better than most off the shelf full synthetic oils like Valvoline, Pennzoil, Castrol Etc.

Agree?

Grumpy Bear · July 4, 2021

2 hours ago, diyer2 said:

Thanks Grumpy.

I would think Amsoils OE line would be better than most off the shelf full synthetic oils like Valvoline, Pennzoil, Castrol Etc.

Agree?

Getting a bit off the title track here but here is what PQIA has on the OE line:

http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Amsoil.htm

I'd expect this is a Group II/III blend like most 'Full Synthetics'. Doesn't claim to be anything else. The TBN is nudging the upper end of the 'average' range. I note the bottle claims SN as well as SM. Calcium load is high enough to prevent SN+ (LSPI). Not an issue for NA motors. While the ZZDP levels are within the SN spec they like to use Boron as a kicker.

https://www.borax.com/applications/industrial-fluids-lubricants

Boron is more effective than zinc in wear and AMSOIL adds enough to matter. Also boost oxidation resistance so the lower levels of ZZDP in their role as a antioxidant is smaller. The small moly content is hardly worth the mention.

Looks a solid enough product. Maybe even better than average. I'll see if I can scare up some information on the bases.

If you want to use this past 3K I'd have some TBN/TAN test run as well as vis and oxidation/nitration. The UOA guys may balk at running a TAN as it is pretty much the same for everyone however there is variation and you have no idea how much until you look at least twice. VOA and UAO. Right?