Mobil 1 and AFM lifters

[Grumpy Bear]

18 minutes ago, M1ck3y said:

 

Wait for what?

 

 

Facts?

 

22 minutes ago, M1ck3y said:

I'm sure you could just as easily argue facts that prove him wrong.

 

Guy says, "Sun will rise tomorrow", in a room full of blind men. I could argue it. Might even win. But why if I learn something useful?  This sort of thing is right in his wheelhouse. I'll take the crumbs of knowledge he's willing to share. Even if I have to eat them under the table with little dogs.   I know what I know and will argue it but what I don't know, I'd like to learn.

 

[M1ck3y]

1 minute ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Facts?

 

 

Guy says, "Sun will rise tomorrow", in a room full of blind men. I could argue it. Might even win. But why if I learn something useful?  This sort of thing is right in his wheelhouse. I'll take the crumbs of knowledge he's willing to share. Even if I have to eat them under the table with little dogs.   I know what I know and will argue it but what I don't know, I'd like to learn.

 

 

 You don't know everything.. ugh, what is this world coming to 

[Grumpy Bear]

1 hour ago, M1ck3y said:

 

 You don't know everything.. ugh, what is this world coming to 

 

[customboss]

I digress:

 

There's a common idea being spouted among many with a keyboard, (at least in US and more authoritarian leaning countries)  that facts change with opinion or forceful defense of an opinion.  As misinformation becomes harder to discern from factual based commentary the thought that the convincing powerful poster shares facts arguing them changes that fact or truth.  I shared elsewhere the quote from Goebbels, Hitlers master of disinformation. Saying or writing something often enough does not make it factual or truthful.  

 

Facts are facts at least when we speak about science. There is a MISUNDERSTANDING that commenting online or in media changes facts.  They don't change. Regardless of what anyone of us thinks. 

 

Debate is a great thing, sadly seems that changed in education in US about 30 years ago when no feelings need be hurt.

 

None of us is the holder of all facts.  Doesn't hurt my feelings to be wrong because my GOAL IS NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT ON A WEBPAGE OR BOARD ITS TO HELP INFORM AND LEARN FROM MY FELLOW GM TRUCK OWNERS SO THEY AND I CAN enjoy a better experience with affordable tough long running tools called GM TRUCKS.  

 

In physics, chemistry, and most of the time in mechanical engineering you can disagree but be spitting into the wind. 

 

Advertising was mixed with science and fact since the industrial revolution and with mass communication of BS its sorely confusing the masses. 

 

I am like Grumpy and others here who could give a flip about branding, we want the best bang for the hard earned buck! 

 

Thanks to everyone here sharing with that goal. 

 

 

[KARNUT]

I have used oil analysis as a guide when trying a new oil years ago. The oil was Amsoil. We also use other oil, redline chevron to name a few. We give the customer what they want. I know for a fact that Amsoil hydraulic oil has saved our pumps and motors. Especially when a hose blows. I spend the money when I’m going extended. I’ve done the 25K oil changes on my heavy use vehicles. My Honda and Toyota gets the 10K oil changes. My wife’s Genesis gets 4K oil changes per their recommendation. If it was a highway car I’d double it. I’ve never lost an engine from an oil related problem. I suspect the oil hysteria here is  more to do with a built in GM problem more than a oil problem. The engine is the cause not the oil. The old rule of thumb was Hwy driven vehicles you can extend. Town driven change more often. Now we’re reinventing the wheel over a flawed engine design. A design that doesn’t really give much benefit. I enjoy the banter. I’ll stay away from the engine and stick with my oil.

[M1ck3y]

1 hour ago, customboss said:

I digress:

 

There's a common idea being spouted among many with a keyboard, (at least in US and more authoritarian leaning countries)  that facts change with opinion or forceful defense of an opinion.  As misinformation becomes harder to discern from factual based commentary the thought that the convincing powerful poster shares facts arguing them changes that fact or truth.  I shared elsewhere the quote from Goebbels, Hitlers master of disinformation. Saying or writing something often enough does not make it factual or truthful.  

 

Facts are facts at least when we speak about science. There is a MISUNDERSTANDING that commenting online or in media changes facts.  They don't change. Regardless of what anyone of us thinks. 

 

Debate is a great thing, sadly seems that changed in education in US about 30 years ago when no feelings need be hurt.

 

None of us is the holder of all facts.  Doesn't hurt my feelings to be wrong because my GOAL IS NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT ON A WEBPAGE OR BOARD ITS TO HELP INFORM AND LEARN FROM MY FELLOW GM TRUCK OWNERS SO THEY AND I CAN enjoy a better experience with affordable tough long running tools called GM TRUCKS.  

 

In physics, chemistry, and most of the time in mechanical engineering you can disagree but be spitting into the wind. 

 

Advertising was mixed with science and fact since the industrial revolution and with mass communication of BS its sorely confusing the masses. 

 

I am like Grumpy and others here who could give a flip about branding, we want the best bang for the hard earned buck! 

 

Thanks to everyone here sharing with that goal. 

 

 

 

I disagree. What we know today is not what we knew 50 years ago. And 50 years from now our understanding will differ from what we know today.

 

Facts are constantly changing, evolving, and proven false. Science is considered fact, undeniable.. Until it proves itself wrong. Which it does on a constant basis.

 

Misinformation can be taken in a million different ways. You can tell someone that they're wrong, that you have the facts to prove this. But what you don't have is the perspective of the said person. Everyone has a different view of the world, no one can pass judgement on another's view/actions (we do). Any judgement passed is done so from your perspective, your world, knowledge, understanding and experiences. Which can't be applied to the said person, because you can't understand them. It's what we believe that makes something factual. 

 

As humans, we don't know ******.

 

 

 

 

 

[KARNUT]

Facts don’t change. Perception does. 

[M1ck3y]

37 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

Facts don’t change. Perception does. 

 

Maybe you should read my post again 

[customboss]

53 minutes ago, M1ck3y said:

 

I disagree. What we know today is not what we knew 50 years ago. And 50 years from now our understanding will differ from what we know today.

 

Facts are constantly changing, evolving, and proven false. Science is considered fact, undeniable.. Until it proves itself wrong. Which it does on a constant basis.

 

Misinformation can be taken in a million different ways. You can tell someone that they're wrong, that you have the facts to prove this. But what you don't have is the perspective of the said person. Everyone has a different view of the world, no one can pass judgement on another's view/actions (we do). Any judgement passed is done so from your perspective, your world, knowledge, understanding and experiences. Which can't be applied to the said person, because you can't understand them. It's what we believe that makes something factual. 

 

As humans, we don't know ******.

 

 

 

 

 

Humbly and respectfully thats total relativistic pap. 

 

Next time you believe that you can jump out of a plane without a parachute report back on how the ride was. 

 

Mixing fact with opinion seems to be somewhat convenient in isolation and thats true for many of a certain age and education level.

 

Frankly believing what you wrote makes you very vulnerable to misinformation and a perfect target of the authoritarians who will convince you all is lost unless you give up. 

 

Chemistry, Physics, Mechanical engineering don't care what we THINK  about proven facts.  

 

Theories, theorems, informed assumptions  are like tools to work problems without complete knowledge, factual proven repeatable foundational knowledge.  

 

I agree there is grey areas in the world for sure but we know a lot and just because I might not understand it doesn't mean I can grow a parachute on the long drop. 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by customboss
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[M1ck3y]

9 minutes ago, customboss said:

Total relativistic pap. 

 

Next time you believe that you can jump out of a plane without a parachute report back on how the ride was. 

 

Mixing fact with opinion seems to be somewhat convenient in isolation and thats true for many of a certain age and education level.

 

Frankly believing what you wrote makes you very vulnerable to misinformation and a perfect target of the authoritarians who will convince you all is lost unless you give up. 

 

Chemistry, Physics, Mechanical engineering don't care what we THINK  about proven facts.  

 

Theories, theorems, informed assumptions  are like tools to work problems without complete knowledge, factual proven repeatable foundational knowledge.  

 

I agree there is grey areas in the world for sure but we know a lot and just because I might not understand it doesn't mean I can grow a parachute on the long drop. 

 

 

 

 

Parachute? 

 

I'm sorry, your failing to understand me.

[customboss]

Mickey, I understand what you wrote 5 X 5 ( that's loud and clear for the non military types reading this).

 

What you or I think about demonstrable fact doesn't change the fact. 

 

Let's use the example of a bullet aimed at my head.  I may believe, honestly believe, I can stop it, avoid it, will it away because of strong belief, ........ before it damages my cranium contents but once that trigger is factually pulled and the pin hits the case the projectile will be propelled at high enough velocity that the soft tissue claiming not to believe this is happening is shattered and split.  I believe a lot of things about a lot of things,  but in combat I saw really smart, tough, people get shattered because of physics.  Opinions and belief didn't change physics. 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by customboss

[M1ck3y]

2 hours ago, customboss said:

Mickey, I understand what you wrote 5 X 5 ( that's loud and clear for the non military types reading this).

 

What you or I think about demonstrable fact doesn't change the fact. 

 

Let's use the example of a bullet aimed at my head.  I may believe, honestly believe, I can stop it, avoid it, will it away because of strong belief, ........ before it damages my cranium contents but once that trigger is factually pulled and the pin hits the case the projectile will be propelled at high enough velocity that the soft tissue claiming not to believe this is happening is shattered and split.  I believe a lot of things about a lot of things,  but in combat I saw really smart, tough, people get shattered because of physics.  Opinions and belief didn't change physics. 

 

 

 

 

 

My words don't indicate humans humanity has the capability to influence the natural laws if the universe. 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by M1ck3y

[M1ck3y]

It's ok. I shouldn't have said anything. You don't learn this in school.

[Grumpy Bear]

 

What I didn't learn is school? 

 

I see a buss coming down the street at toward me  at 60 mph and think, "Hey, looks like a buss coming toward me".

That's awareness.

 

I ponder this a second and think, "If I don't move and he doesn't stop he'll hit me and will kill me dead".

That's understanding

 

I believe for a second that perhaps he will get stopped in time if I just hold my ground.

That's an opinion.

 

I decide after contemplating my death to move out of the way.

That is wisdom. 

 

The TRUTH is that buss striking me at that speed has enough mass and velocity to splatter me like a bug.

 

Your awareness can change. That's a fact.

Your understanding can change. That's a fact.  

Your opinions can change. That's a fact. 

 

A buss hitting you straight up at 60 mph will end you.

That's the truth. And that will not change.

 

WISDOM is the point you understand that and do something useful with it. 

 

 

[M1ck3y]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

What I didn't learn is school? 

 

I see a buss coming down the street at toward me  at 60 mph and think, "Hey, looks like a buss coming toward me".

That's awareness.

 

I ponder this a second and think, "If I don't move and he doesn't stop he'll hit me and will kill me dead".

That's understanding

 

I believe for a second that perhaps he will get stopped in time if I just hold my ground.

That's an opinion.

 

I decide after contemplating my death to move out of the way.

That is wisdom. 

 

The TRUTH is that buss striking me at that speed has enough mass and velocity to splatter me like a bug.

 

Your awareness can change. That's a fact.

Your understanding can change. That's a fact.  

Your opinions can change. That's a fact. 

 

A buss hitting you straight up at 60 mph will end you.

That's the truth. And that will not change.

 

WISDOM is the point you understand that and do something useful with it. 

 

 

 

Absolutely. But it's amusing that facts only seem to be applicable to parachutes and buses. Oh, and bullets. All governed by physics.

 

And that is a fact.

 

That said, one could argue that I'm correct in my understanding because you and everyone else seems to be focused on physical, touchable, facts.

 

When the facts I am discussing are nothing of that sort. Which I keep having to point out?

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by M1ck3y