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My brother brings home his Lightening today.  It is hard to believe how fast all of the hype over the prototypes of full sized EV pickups is now a reality.  Ford really did a brilliant job in planning and getting their version produced.  If money was not an issue,  I'd be doing the same as my brother!   I have a reserve on the Silverado EV - WT and am hoping that my wait will be rewarded with a more affordable product.  The Work Truck version is basic but will still be an upgrade to my current '15 SLE.   I appreciate the global concerns about supplying batteries and power to charge them but I believe EV's are the better option currently.   I'd like to hear from others on their plans regarding EV's! 

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It amazing how some minds work. If the so called robber barons could have produced batteries that powered electric instead of oil. That’s where we be now. Oil then and now is responsible for our way o

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Um, they were big in the late 1800's and early 1900's and even held the land speed record for some years. EV's are by no means a new type of technology. Shoot, technically they pre-date Benz's car as

OnTheReel
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Stupid question…if these are your convictions, why did you literally just buy a gas truck? Don’t tell me you’re just another Al Gore. Ditch that climate destroyer, and get with the program.

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My brother brings home his Lightening today.  It is hard to believe how fast all of the hype over the prototypes of full sized EV pickups is now a reality.  Ford really did a brilliant job in planning and getting their version produced.  If money was not an issue,  I'd be doing the same as my brother!   I have a reserve on the Silverado EV - WT and am hoping that my wait will be rewarded with a more affordable product.  The Work Truck version is basic but will still be an upgrade to my current '15 SLE.   I appreciate the global concerns about supplying batteries and power to charge them but I believe EV's are the better option currently.   I'd like to hear from others on their plans regarding EV's! 

After reading and learning how the minerals are mine and where they are. And who controls them I’m on pause. The environment impacts and the amount of fossil fuel use during the mining of some minerals are mind blowing. Then there’s disposal and supporting infrastructure. In saying all that if it fits your lifestyle and gives you pleasure go for it. As far as being environmentally friendly, I’m not there. The point of our hard work and sacrifice is always moving forward with convenience and efficiency. Not there yet for the most part . 

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For the past 50+ years I have owned full sized pickups.  The downside has always been the initial cost and the ongoing fuel expense.    For me to go electric is not going to help the initial cost but the fuel savings and maintenance will be a bonus.  The net impact on the environment is another debate.  I believe that going electric will have a net positive impact.  Ford, GM, Rivian, Tesla etc. are attempting to produce products that attract buyers on all sides of the environmental debate. There are some very promising EV options no matter your stand on climate.   Of course nothing new goes without opposition.  I told a friend when speaking about the Lightening that it is hard to argue about  close to 800lb ft of torque and 0 - 60 in 4.5 seconds.  He responded with, “It is more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow”.  I have yet to drive an EV full sized pickup but I know Rivians and Fords are out there.  It would be great to hear from those who have first hand experience.

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I can't get on board the EV thing. To me it's just a new type of technology trying to entice buyers, gotta have the latest. I agree for some users it'a appealing. 

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For the past 50+ years I have owned full sized pickups.  The downside has always been the initial cost and the ongoing fuel expense.    For me to go electric is not going to help the initial cost but the fuel savings and maintenance will be a bonus.  The net impact on the environment is another debate.  I believe that going electric will have a net positive impact.  Ford, GM, Rivian, Tesla etc. are attempting to produce products that attract buyers on all sides of the environmental debate. There are some very promising EV options no matter your stand on climate.   Of course nothing new goes without opposition.  I told a friend when speaking about the Lightening that it is hard to argue about  close to 800lb ft of torque and 0 - 60 in 4.5 seconds.  He responded with, “It is more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow”.  I have yet to drive an EV full sized pickup but I know Rivians and Fords are out there.  It would be great to hear from those who have first hand experience.

I have to agree with your friends it’s more fun to drive a slower vehicle fast. Especially vehicles that make the right noises. I’ve experienced both. A sports car through the turns at reasonable speeds is more fun than 0-60 at 5 seconds. Although not an electric. I had the pleasure of experiencing a TRX. It’s too tempting to keep the hammer down. I’ve read some articles lately about the true cost of charging an electric vehicle. I’m really not downing your enthusiasm. I listen to a popular radio show on Saturday called CARPROUSA. He’s yet to test an electric that went the range advertised. And has been stranded. He’s actually for electric especially for the performance angle. He’s all in for hybrids especially Toyota’s. 

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I can't get on board the EV thing. To me it's just a new type of technology trying to entice buyers, gotta have the latest. I agree for some users it'a appealing. 

 

Um, they were big in the late 1800's and early 1900's and even held the land speed record for some years. EV's are by no means a new type of technology. Shoot, technically they pre-date Benz's car as a three wheeled electric version was created a few years before.

 

EV's certainly have their pluses, I still think for some years a plug in hybrid is the best of both worlds until infrastructure and other meaningful tech can catch up (charge times mainly). I would buy a plug in hybrid truck, but not an EV yet. My wifes next car will be a PHEV at the very least if not a full EV.  

 

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I can't get on board the EV thing. To me it's just a new type of technology trying to entice buyers, gotta have the latest. I agree for some users it'a appealing. 

Something’s fishy is going on with the electric deal. The hard push before we’re ready. That ties in with renewables. All that could be a good thing if we take it slow learning as we go. Right now there’re telling Californians not to charge their vehicles at certain times. There’s the dirty secret in regards to mining the minerals and who controls them. I fear it’s more about politics and profits than environment. In a free society you want electric and it fits. That’s your choice go for it. The forcing by mandating that’s what will keep me out.

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Um, they were big in the late 1800's and early 1900's and even held the land speed record for some years. EV's are by no means a new type of technology. Shoot, technically they pre-date Benz's car as a three wheeled electric version was created a few years before.

 

EV's certainly have their pluses, I still think for some years a plug in hybrid is the best of both worlds until infrastructure and other meaningful tech can catch up (charge times mainly). I would buy a plug in hybrid truck, but not an EV yet. My wifes next car will be a PHEV at the very least if not a full EV.  

 

Tyler 

In 1870 Rockefeller's, Flagler, Rogers,Andrews, Harkness founders of Standard Oil  made sure of that. For once marketing and robber barons are not choosing a technology, reality of a warming planet and climate change is. Paradigm shifts are hard for society. 

 

 

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It amazing how some minds work. If the so called robber barons could have produced batteries that powered electric instead of oil. That’s where we be now. Oil then and now is responsible for our way of life. The head long full speed ahead towards renewables will cause the reverse and poverty. Eyes on Europe. Global cooling or warming or whatever they call it today is a normal weather pattern. Risks takers will find a way  to make money only if people will buy. Government intervention usually amounts to money spent and failure follows. If gas prices, rolling blackouts and inflation hasn’t convinced people to pump the brakes. Then you can’t fix stupid. You get what you deserve.

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39 minutes ago, customboss said:

In 1870 Rockefeller's, Flagler, Rogers,Andrews, Harkness founders of Standard Oil  made sure of that. For once marketing and robber barons are not choosing a technology, reality of a warming planet and climate change is. Paradigm shifts are hard for society. 

 

 


Stupid question…if these are your convictions, why did you literally just buy a gas truck? Don’t tell me you’re just another Al Gore. Ditch that climate destroyer, and get with the program.

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1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

It amazing how some minds work. If the so called robber barons could have produced batteries that powered electric instead of oil. That’s where we be now. Oil then and now is responsible for our way of life. The head long full speed ahead towards renewables will cause the reverse and poverty. Eyes on Europe. Global cooling or warming or whatever they call it today is a normal weather pattern. Risks takers will find a way  to make money only if people will buy. Government intervention usually amounts to money spent and failure follows. If gas prices, rolling blackouts and inflation hasn’t convinced people to pump the brakes. Then you can’t fix stupid. You get what you deserve.

Government isn't driving change to EV and renewable power. Again and AGAIN I remind you and others that we live in a DEMOCRACY.  Free enterprise is driving changes.  Culture wars again have you and others blinded by corporations going where the future is. 

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55 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:


Stupid question…if these are your convictions, why did you literally just buy a gas truck? Don’t tell me you’re just another Al Gore. Ditch that climate destroyer, and get with the program.

 

 

Not my convictions or opinion. It's a fact that industry is going to change from unsustainable fossil fuels driven markets OVER TIME IN SCALE.  No matter what culture war blinders one may have on.  

 

On my decision to purchase a gasoline Trail Boss: they didn't make a EV Trail Boss and I need lifted 4WD out here. My cost to charge a EV truck via garage set up would be 6.2 cents a KWH. I could not beat that cost anywhere and I am a rural electric CO-OP owner so would even be cheaper every year when we get our rebate and costs kept down since we are non profit. 

 

Even here in more remote parts of southern CO there are chargers in town and on roads for quick recharge if needed. 

 

Ask Pakistan how the floods are.  Note the Arctic and Antarctic are heating 7X faster than the rest of the world. 

Floods, heat, rapid ,and larger cyclic moves in climate are causing catastrophes world wide and impacting US already. 

 

Why is that?  Released green house gases. What is primary driver, fossil fuels burning. 

 

We can resist, deny, close our eyes but Gore was right.  As much as I hate to admit he was right. 

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Some interesting reading to make an informed decision about what is really going on.  

 

Climate science or politics? Disentangling the roles of citizen beliefs and support for energy in the United States

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214629621005065

 

 

CLEAN POWER

Conservatives Do Want A Clean Energy Transition

Traditionally, conservatives have endorsed fossil fuels as the only viable energy source. Recently, however, momentum has shifted so that more conservatives than ever are publicly embracing the potential for renewables.

 

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/13/conservatives-do-want-a-clean-energy-transition/

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Government isn't driving change to EV and renewable power. Again and AGAIN I remind you and others that we live in a DEMOCRACY.  Free enterprise is driving changes.  Culture wars again have you and others blinded by corporations going where the future is. 

What! That’s laughable. But as usual you live in a fantasy world. Have a nice day.

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27 minutes ago, customboss said:

Some interesting reading to make an informed decision about what is really going on.  

 

Climate science or politics? Disentangling the roles of citizen beliefs and support for energy in the United States

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214629621005065

 

 

CLEAN POWER

Conservatives Do Want A Clean Energy Transition

Traditionally, conservatives have endorsed fossil fuels as the only viable energy source. Recently, however, momentum has shifted so that more conservatives than ever are publicly embracing the potential for renewables.

 

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/13/conservatives-do-want-a-clean-energy-transition/

There’s more to electric vehicles than just plugging in. There’s more pollution to electric batteries than natural gas. It’ll be exposed eventually, I’ll wait. 

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