What 5W-30 oil brand are you using for the 6.6L gas?

customboss · October 22, 2025

2 hours ago, Chuck FB said:

Totally understand, its easy to miss a detail like that and I had to look myself at what is listed on here for my location and its Alberta the province if one even knows where that is in the world, however Canada is not listed as I see. So no, I live in what now has or is fast becoming become Commy Land, as the drive is on to take our guns away as well as the beginnings of land grabs of legitimately bought/owned land ( in BC that is going on so far ). It isn't the country it once was and I expect to a degree you can say the same south of our border that its instead on the rise up rather than the spiral down as they work to undo the mess that had been created prior.

But as to the consumer protection or lack there of in Canada, it is a very good question as to why it is the way it is, obviously its certainly good for the manufacturer if they can duck out from under an obligation that another country has put into law to hold them to account.

I get in trouble for politics here. Suffice it to say we’re going on a bridge a bit too far down here.

Chuck FB · October 22, 2025

4 minutes ago, customboss said:

The CO-OP refinery is located in Vagina, ( joke) Saskatchewan for all of Canada. I believe Alberta can get relatively fresh well formulated diesel with appropriate additives. It’s a very good product and their engine oils are great too.

5 minutes ago, customboss said:

The CO-OP refinery is located in Vagina, ( joke) Saskatchewan for all of Canada. I believe Alberta can get relatively fresh well formulated diesel with appropriate additives. It’s a very good product and their engine oils are great too.

We can certainly get Coop fuel delivered bulk to the farm, I had never looked into where their refinery was that they sourced the fuel from ( I have a pretty good idea where that city is though that you referred to LOL ) and ironically the rep for this area for Coop is or at least was a guy I dealt with a fair bit long ago as he used to run the closest seed cleaning plant and then switched careers. I will say though at the time there were question marks over the fuel ( the diesel that is ) as per other farmers at the time having tried it but again that is many years ago and I knew nothing about their oils either so I pretty much stuck to what I had been doing which was using Esso oils at the time and that evolved into Mobil and a small amount of Petro Canada oil. But fuel, we were getting our supplies from either Petro Canada or UFA. UFA is United Farmers of Alberta and they have their certain refinery's they would source from. I have not kept up with what additives the various companies are adding to the fuel as per diesel but UFA connected up with a US company some years back to have available for an extra price per gallon for a blend of additives they add at the the bulk dealers as they put the fuel into their delivery truck but I never did get onto that bandwagon but they call it Diesel Gold. I am speculating on the farm gas that its probably on the low end of the spectrum and its only regular fuel they have and then they put that dye into it like they do the diesel and that doesn't do anything any good either, I have a feeling they are going to phase that out that theme of dye with farm fuel in Alberta.

revrnd · October 22, 2025

4 hours ago, Chuck FB said:

That is very true as an individual in Canada, we are basically at the whim of the dealership and the manufacturer. I realize people in the states "assume" we must have a lemon law but from what I have heard there is no such thing as a government agency or law that is on the customers side to settle an issue with lets say a repeated breakdown of the same component and that they are obligated to buy the vehicle back or a time frame of when they must have a warranty issue repaired. When I talked to GM Canada as well as the person in charge of warranty claims at the dealership, its just not like the USA system and so we don't have the same rights or leverage here in Canada, and there is no Magnuson Moss Act either.

What we do have access to though is what they call Vaseline, it has special lubricating qualities and can be purchased at any pharmacy section and I see Costco sells it as a two pack. Its always a good plan to have some of that within reach because one never knows when one might be forced to bend over the counter at a business ( including dealing with grain companies at the grain elevators and farm dealerships etc ) as it does ease the pain !

Thanks for explaining things to our friends south of the border.

My parents went thru the useless Ontario arbitration process in the 80s when the faulty stereo in their G van kept killing the battery...

revrnd · October 22, 2025

1 hour ago, customboss said:

The CO-OP refinery is located in Vagina, ( joke) Saskatchewan for all of Canada. I believe Alberta can get relatively fresh well formulated diesel with appropriate additives. It’s a very good product and their engine oils are great too.

To the unwashed his joke was *Regina the city that rhymes with fun*

customboss · October 23, 2025

18 hours ago, revrnd said:

To the unwashed his joke was *Regina the city that rhymes with fun*

I couldn’t help myself. Bottom

line a locally refined fuel with additives mixed “hot” is always better than top treating a ****** fuel.

Chuck FB · October 23, 2025

16 minutes ago, customboss said:

I couldn’t help myself. Bottom

line a locally refined fuel with additives mixed “hot” is always better than top treating a ****** fuel.

You may very well be right in the method of adding the additives, UFA put on a whole marketing spiel some years ago when they rolled this scheme out of offering this wonderful all in one additive package and I am guessing that the refineries they get the fuel from are probably not in that loop and also its at the bulk dealer level where they can control how much volume of the "special" fuel they create on the fly as they make the deliveries. That marketing meeting they had, it was someone from head office officially doing the presentation and talking about the various wonderful properties that the additive package had, anti microbial properties, some anti waxing, being able to deal with a small amount of water in the fuel and of course a claim that the fuel burned more efficiently so therefore the fuel savings alone would more than pay back the added cost. The reality is that its hard to determine a fuel savings if it is small, so many variables involved. Months after they came out with the product and by the way they would not sell the additive on its own, that was for their use only to add to the fuel, I had asked one of the drivers who was delivering fuel as they were burning that in their trucks now, do you notice an increase in fuel economy ..... no. For all I know it may be a good product for a variety of reasons but I would like to see concrete proof, not just flashy talk making claims. I looked up the cost difference of the diesel and its 5 cents per litre Canadian more which equates to about 14 cents USD per US gallon.

revrnd · October 31, 2025

@Chuck FB did you ever see this brochure in the past?

I picked it up @ an Esso station here in Ontario quite a few years ago. I'm guessing in the 90s (no date on it) before synthetics became commonplace.

Chuck FB · October 31, 2025

1 hour ago, revrnd said:

@Chuck FB did you ever see this brochure in the past?

I picked it up @ an Esso station here in Ontario quite a few years ago. I'm guessing in the 90s (no date on it) before synthetics became commonplace.

I don't recall that photo ( but then again like my memory is that great ) as I believe they produced more than one version of that booklet but that was the heading all right as they were advertising their various oils that were more capable of flowing in the winter. When their oils came out I am not sure if they had a true 100% synthetic version of some or not, they certainly had a semi synthetic theme though which included a 75W-90 gear oil and a gear/hydraulic/trans oil used for tractor drives that incorporated hydraulics. The first items I would have bought was a 0W-30 engine oil as well as that gear oil to put into a 1982 Toyota SR5 short box 4x4 as it was NOT a happy camper with 80W-90 in both diffs and the manual trans and the transfer case, nor was it going to survive using 10W-30 engine oil in -40 or colder. I could be wrong but I thought they had the Cold War book out by that point in time as per the mid 80's. I sort of doubt I would have a booklet from back then kicking around but who knows, maybe I do have one buried somewhere. That was a big thing back then when oils like that came out and while Amsoil existed, that was a rare item that few had anything to do with due to its lack of main stream exposure and in fact distrust I would say until the major players came out with synthetics themselves.

I went digging and I was shocked, I actually found the very The Cold War pamphlet that I would have gotten during the 80's and not sure what year I ended up with it but more than likely prior to 1985 and it has a date on it "Sept 81". But I also then found the very same pamphlet you were given and I would only be speculating to say that it may be older than what you think. So in the pamphlet I believe is older and is dated 1981, Esso did not have a full synthetic oil from what I see but what they did have and they word it like this "In addition to our own products Imperial is the exclusive Canadian distributor to two fully synthetic engine oils made by Mobil Oil Corporation : Delvac 1 and Mobil 1". The picture on this older booklet is a photo that has half the photo on the front cover and the other half on the rear cover and consists of a toy D10 Cat that must have been total frozen into a block of ice and then they thawed out the main bulk of the Cat only on the photo side leaving the riper and the push blade with ice surrounding those parts as well as the other side of the Cat still in the ice. Someone had an imagination and did all this but without going anywhere to take an actual photo of snow covered equipment in its element .. I guess they were working with a limited budget ! LOL.

The book you have has more products from the looks of it and more synthetic's it appears like as the evolution continued.

Edited October 31, 2025 by Chuck FB

revrnd · October 31, 2025

They mention Exxon Superflo, which I think was intro'd in the late 80s.

Chuck FB · October 31, 2025

1 hour ago, revrnd said:

They mention Exxon Superflo, which I think was intro'd in the late 80s.

For some reason that superflo did not pop up on my radar, they may have had it there at the bulk Esso I bought oil from in a small quantity but being a bulk location that catered to the heavy duty equipment of the oil patch and farmers they tended to have the diesel or mixed diesel/gas formulations rather than the gas only formulas and I am not sure what the superflo was blended for actually. When Esso became Mobil they changed the names and possibly some formulations as well and so the 0W-30 I had been buying became Mobil Elite 222 which again was a mixed fleet oil although its gas rating as I see only made it to an SM rating and as far as I know they stopped producing that product and so a few years ago the bulk supplier said that was it for them having that 0W-30 and they at least didn't even have an alternate diesel 0W-30 to buy as the Delvac 0W-40 was in theory to cover the gap so I bought out what stock they had left in what they called the "4x4" cases and I am down to just over a case of it left now. Its not suitable for the new gas engines but I have plenty of older trucks and gas tractors that can make use of it and will have to figure out what 0W-30 makes the most sense to move to for those units as this Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-30 is on the thin side, the Mobil ESP 0W-30 may be the better oil because of its higher viscosity at 100c.

Here is the data sheet on the Elite 222 0W-30 for anyone curious about it. I called Mobil Canada some years ago to ask a tech there if it was an actual 100% synthetic and I got a rather pissy answer as per that they would not give out that information ... it might be, it might not be but we won't give out that information.

Mobil Delvac™ Elite 222 0W-30

customboss · October 31, 2025

49 minutes ago, Chuck FB said:

For some reason that superflo did not pop up on my radar, they may have had it there at the bulk Esso I bought oil from in a small quantity but being a bulk location that catered to the heavy duty equipment of the oil patch and farmers they tended to have the diesel or mixed diesel/gas formulations rather than the gas only formulas and I am not sure what the superflo was blended for actually. When Esso became Mobil they changed the names and possibly some formulations as well and so the 0W-30 I had been buying became Mobil Elite 222 which again was a mixed fleet oil although its gas rating as I see only made it to an SM rating and as far as I know they stopped producing that product and so a few years ago the bulk supplier said that was it for them having that 0W-30 and they at least didn't even have an alternate diesel 0W-30 to buy as the Delvac 0W-40 was in theory to cover the gap so I bought out what stock they had left in what they called the "4x4" cases and I am down to just over a case of it left now. Its not suitable for the new gas engines but I have plenty of older trucks and gas tractors that can make use of it and will have to figure out what 0W-30 makes the most sense to move to for those units as this Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-30 is on the thin side, the Mobil ESP 0W-30 may be the better oil because of its higher viscosity at 100c.

Here is the data sheet on the Elite 222 0W-30 for anyone curious about it. I called Mobil Canada some years ago to ask a tech there if it was an actual 100% synthetic and I got a rather pissy answer as per that they would not give out that information ... it might be, it might not be but we won't give out that information.

Mobil Delvac™ Elite 222 0W-30

When Exxon Mobil combined, they ****** out imperial ESSO and fired the top chemists and formulator. They do own the formulations.
The CO-OP formulations from Regina are copies of the old ESSO stuff. Why I recommend them.

Chuck FB · October 31, 2025

15 minutes ago, customboss said:

When Exxon Mobil combined, they ****** out imperial ESSO and fired the top chemists and formulator. They do own the formulations.
The CO-OP formulations from Regina are copies of the old ESSO stuff. Why I recommend them.

Interesting, so much for job security and that is how it goes when companies combine and have seen that with the local grain terminals as most of the staff was kicked out the door or "took retirement". So are you saying then that some of the Esso staff is physically in Regina or at least Regina Coop connected to people back in Ontario I assume it was where Esso Canada ran their show.

So you having put it that way about the merger, what are your current day thoughts on Mobil products vs the Coop products as Coop would have had to change some of their formulations as well like most companies to keep up with the on going changes in emissions "crap" requiring jumping through flaming hoops and make watery thin Dexos compliant oil etc.

customboss · October 31, 2025

2 hours ago, Chuck FB said:

Interesting, so much for job security and that is how it goes when companies combine and have seen that with the local grain terminals as most of the staff was kicked out the door or "took retirement". So are you saying then that some of the Esso staff is physically in Regina or at least Regina Coop connected to people back in Ontario I assume it was where Esso Canada ran their show.

So you having put it that way about the merger, what are your current day thoughts on Mobil products vs the Coop products as Coop would have had to change some of their formulations as well like most companies to keep up with the on going changes in emissions "crap" requiring jumping through flaming hoops and make watery thin Dexos compliant oil etc.

I doubt this much later any staff remain but the intellectual property for formulations may still exist.
The co-op products are more like the Esso product than the mobile products will be

As I said that the Exxon people who were pure Exxon, they were all fired is particularly the female formulator that was a genius. She was let go immediately in the combination of Exxon and MOBIL mobil technologists took charge, and they had a different theory of formulation.

Edited October 31, 2025 by customboss

customboss · October 31, 2025

1 hour ago, customboss said:

I doubt this much later any staff remain but the intellectual property for formulations may still exist.
The co-op products are more like the Esso product than the mobile products will be

As I said that the Exxon people who were pure Exxon, they were all fired is particularly the female formulator that was a genius. She was let go immediately in the combination of Exxon and MOBIL mobil technologists took charge, and they had a different theory of formulation.

3 hours ago, Chuck FB said:

Interesting, so much for job security and that is how it goes when companies combine and have seen that with the local grain terminals as most of the staff was kicked out the door or "took retirement". So are you saying then that some of the Esso staff is physically in Regina or at least Regina Coop connected to people back in Ontario I assume it was where Esso Canada ran their show.

So you having put it that way about the merger, what are your current day thoughts on Mobil products vs the Coop products as Coop would have had to change some of their formulations as well like most companies to keep up with the on going changes in emissions "crap" requiring jumping through flaming hoops and make watery thin Dexos compliant oil etc.

PetroFacts+DMO+GOLD+SL.pdf

check this out Chuck

Chuck FB · November 1, 2025

7 hours ago, customboss said:

PetroFacts+DMO+GOLD+SL.pdf 250.3 kB · 2 downloads

check this out Chuck

That strange, I had typed out a reply hours ago and perhaps I didn't hit submit.

In any event I did take a look at the pdf you linked as well as digging up the Coop website and took a bit of a look through the gas oils as well. I compared the few items they do list in the specs for both the Coop and Mobil heavy duty diesel 0W-40 and there are some differences, TBN was higher on the Mobil but also of note the Coop had a higher 100c viscosity. As to the gas rated oils, I guess of no surprise and Grumpy Bear has pointed out that aspect to me as per that whole Dexos theme of forcing formulators to produce low viscosity oils that barely meet grade and the Coop oils are no different with slightly lower viscosity out of the bottle vs some other brands within the Dexos theme. If I was past warranty I know what I would do and that would be to go with a Euro spec oil that is SP/LSPI friendly for this L8T DI engine and go with either a 5W-30 ( with around a 12 @ 100c ) or even a 5W-40 if I was towing, and then revert to a Euro 0W-30 for the winter.