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Grumpy Bear Senior Enthusiast

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This is getting ridiculous.

 

20% lower treat rate improved wear control? Not by their own presentation it didn't. 

 

What it said in print isn't what it graphed. More marketing nonsense. Great explanation of how GM, a huge market share driver for Infinium, is driving the bus based on FE (fuel emissions) "CREDITS" issued based on "GOVERNMENT" which is driving small high-pressure motors requiring LSPI protection to limit warranty losses. Wear control is NOT part of the equation. It is part of a LIE. 

 

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Grumpy Bear
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Give it some thought     You just saw a motor (my post above) with failed pistons/rings at nearly twice this milage on standard OEM OCI's look as good as the photo on the left whi

VicFirth
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I'm seeing more reviews of Valvoline Restore & Protect clean extremely well.  I'm curious if the chemistry they're using makes it into other grades.  If this oil does what it is supposed to do, it

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Ok, just double checking since you say your brain is busted sometimes. 😆  Wanted to make sure this wasn't some figment of your imagination   3 cases FTMFW!

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Grumpy Bear Senior Enthusiast

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On 8/31/2024 at 9:09 AM, customboss said:

Grumpy I have data from years of work. I can’t make pretty charts graphs or do math anymore. You might be able to help me present better. If you are willing. You still have a sharp mind. 

 

Okay, batter up. What have ya got? :) 

customboss Senior Enthusiast

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1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Okay, batter up. What have ya got? :) 

I’m going slow. Brain workee in am….sometimes. 

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VicFirth Enthusiast

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43 minutes ago, customboss said:

They’ve always been complex and complicated 

 

Well some oils like Red Line and HPL formulate like it's 1985 LOL. 

 

Some of the newer ashless chemistries have/will/can replace the higher metallics.

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Grumpy Bear Senior Enthusiast

Grumpy Bear

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47 minutes ago, customboss said:

Plus a lot of my data is in boxes. 😳

 

No rush. Whenever you get around to it. Your pace is fine. 

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Grumpy Bear

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11 hours ago, VicFirth said:

 

Well some oils like Red Line and HPL formulate like it's 1985 LOL. 

 

Some of the newer ashless chemistries have/will/can replace the higher metallics.

 

Depends on what you are calling 'Replace'. If you mean 'take the place of" in the mainstream market. Already a done deal. If you are saying replace like 'better', not today, tomorrow or the foreseeable future. 

 

The Hersey number is the dimensionless number obtained from the velocity (m/s) times the dynamic viscosity (Pa∙s = N∙s/m2), divided by the load per unit length of bearing (N/m).

 

Tiny motors with big boost have more than doubled the load per unit length bearing loads. Tall gearing and high count multispeed transmissions or CVT have slowed velocity considerably. And dynamic viscosity is being constantly reduced in the name of fuel efficiency. How far do you think this equation can be compressed before the wear rates become untenable? Hint" they already are. 

 

Add to that GDI fuel dilution, increased water and oil temperatures (reducing dynamic viscosity further), lower oil pump volumes and ridiculous octane recommendations given boosted high compression engines.....lord people, wake up. 10K+ mile OCI"S??? What chemistry do you think is going to counter all that? Nothing anyone knows of. Wear is the ONE area that is being ignored and even sacrificed for C.A.F.E. FINES. If they did, THAT would be the story, Not self-cleaning, 10K mile oil. Almost every make and model in my neighborhood is using oil like they owned the company, and they seem fine with this. The frog has been cooked. The new normal has been achieved by all but the oldest among us. 

 

Multiple blenders have warned that the use of these lightweight oils in even cooler running milder tuned NA motors results in a 30 percent reducing in motor life. Yea, even with fancy new additives. :mad: There is NO more modern metallurgy or clearance or finish that has not been explored since WWII that has yielded a system that keeps the OEM's out of these class action lawsuits for oil consumption and premature wear. :idiot:

 

The SAE specs continue to be 'dumbed down'. The bar ever lower. Cheap cars are history. Simplicity is history. Your pocketbook is history. Gullible Guppies. Get a grip! See Infinium is predicting the death of PAO? GM's bedfellow is whispering the future. 

 

:rant: 

 

 

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VicFirth

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I'm running Amsoil or HPL but maybe should be just running this:

 

Dealing with Deposits to Boost Engine Life - Engine Builder Magazine

 

"I had never seen anything like it before, and I have eight years at Valvoline and 16 years at a company that makes the additives used in oil formulation.”

 

"Real-world testing is crucial. For instance, a Ford Mustang was subjected to extensive testing with Restore and Protect, showing significant reductions in wear and deposit formation. The testing extended to various engine components, including the timing chain cover, oil pan, and valvetrain, demonstrating the comprehensive benefits of the oil. The team also ran Restore and Protect in a Ford Explorer with more than 500,000 miles.

“And we also did a chassis dynamometer test where we put a vehicle on rollers basically and ran it 300,000 miles,” Warholic says. “Restore and Protect actually cleaned up the entire engine.”

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8 minutes ago, VicFirth said:

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1.7% fuels dilute is not low. Target is ALWAYS 0.5% or lower via GC.  boron depleting because fuels dilute stresses borate esters. 

 

Silicon still from Hyundai bonding RTV's and cylinder and piston alloys. 

 

Change air filter if not done yet regardless of how it looks and unload the Amsoil to work. 

 

 

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Well one thing for sure, you can clearly see the additive companies do the bulk of R&D testing.  Granted, the larger guys like XOM and Shell have access internally to all the Infineum work being it's a jointly owned venture.  Gokhan was a good poster. 

 

A few years ago Roy Howell for Red Line was asked about these specifications.  His answer was pretty funny.  He said they make their oils for all engines old and new.  He basically shrugged off the industry specifications and has kept Red Line full SAPS for decades. 

 

You can see Amsoil Signature Series kind of hovers the middle ground somewhere between off the shelf oils and HPL and Red Line.  They lowered the sulfated ash levels of Signature Series to around 1.04.  Mobil 1, and Castrol Edge are now .7 and .8 (mid saps).

 

HPL's PCMO line have HT/HS numbers more in line with fuel economy grades.  Their 5w30's (non Euro) have HT/HS of 3.2.  No VII is a different animal.     

 

 

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