2027 GMC Sierra: Official Discussion

[Jake87]

14 hours ago, C/K Man said:

GM is moving away from the wax frame coating:

 

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2026/06/2027-chevy-silverado-gmc-sierra-1500-get-new-frame-coating/

I hope to high heaven this is wrong. My Chevy farm trucks frame is lasting way longer than a newer Nissan Titan XD I got for a steal, and it only pulls trailers. A decade younger and it's frame is already way rustier than the waxed Chevy I drive across longs and ditches. Also, hasn't Ford been having tones of troubles with rusted frames? 

[KARNUT]

50 minutes ago, Coastie05 said:

Batteries don’t always show signs of a few years ago my vehicle started fine in the morning and took me to work. After work the battery was completely dead and I needed a jump. No, I didn’t leave anything on and the battery was only a couple months old. It was replaced under warranty. 

It has happened to me a few times. I carry a jumpstart-tire inflator with me.

[Coastie05]

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

It has happened to me a few times. I carry a jumpstart-tire inflator with me.

I do too. I’ll never be stuck again

[Jsdirt]

I went another direction after losing a trailer tire, thanks to not being able to access air at ANY of the 5 gas stations and garages I stopped at prior, with a Toyota Tacoma onboard, 50 miles from the Canadian border. They were either out of order, access was blocked, or the hose a few feet too short and I couldn't get any closer without risking damage to someone's property.

 

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[Jsdirt]

9 hours ago, Jake87 said:

I hope to high heaven this is wrong. My Chevy farm trucks frame is lasting way longer than a newer Nissan Titan XD I got for a steal, and it only pulls trailers. A decade younger and it's frame is already way rustier than the waxed Chevy I drive across longs and ditches. Also, hasn't Ford been having tones of troubles with rusted frames? 

My brand new 2007 Silverado's wax frame was rust from end to end partway through it's SECOND winter here in MA. That stuff is completely useless.

 

 

[newdude]

18 hours ago, KARNUT said:

It was all part of the tiny bit of fuel savings it goes towards what was mandated by the government. Much like cylinder deactivation. That was relaxed by the recent administration. All that doesn’t help the individual buyer. But as a whole helps the manufacturer to try to reach the previous ridiculous past mileage per gallon mandate. So yes it was mandated and added cost to the vehicle. 

 

 

It was never mandated.  Ever. 

 

Automakers were incentivized to install it by getting CAFE credits to help with their vehicle fleet fuel economy scores.  They were being handed money/CAFE credits to install it.  Which is NOT a mandate.    

 

The current admin removed the incentives that were behind them installing it.   

 

 

[KARNUT]

31 minutes ago, newdude said:

 

 

It was never mandated.  Ever. 

 

Automakers were incentivized to install it by getting CAFE credits to help with their vehicle fleet fuel economy scores.  They were being handed money/CAFE credits to install it.  Which is NOT a mandate.    

 

The current admin removed the incentives that were behind them installing it.   

 

 

It wouldn’t have happened if the government hadn’t mandated outrageous fuel mileage standards. It does very little for the consumer. It adds cost. Back during Covid there was a chip shortage. They gave a rebate for your truck if it didn’t have the chip to turn on cylinder deactivation. It was 50$ because at best you may see 1/2 a mile increase per gallon. Splitting hairs each fuel mileage trick wasn’t mandated. The government doesn’t do the engineering work and say use this until it’s already in use and they like it. The fuel mileage was mandated. And those add ons the results. There’s a mandate and they are the results.

[Atlas]

My fullsize truck is averaging over 26mpg so I'm pretty happy with the increased fuel economy targets. When I had my gas Silverado (2020 5.3) it was averaging 21. Again, for a fullsize truck, that's very different from the 12-15 these things used to get 30 years ago.

 

Whine all you want, increased MPG is a good thing.

[Jsdirt]

4 hours ago, KARNUT said:

It wouldn’t have happened if the government hadn’t mandated outrageous fuel mileage standards. It does very little for the consumer. It adds cost. Back during Covid there was a chip shortage. They gave a rebate for your truck if it didn’t have the chip to turn on cylinder deactivation. It was 50$ because at best you may see 1/2 a mile increase per gallon. Splitting hairs each fuel mileage trick wasn’t mandated. The government doesn’t do the engineering work and say use this until it’s already in use and they like it. The fuel mileage was mandated. And those add ons the results. There’s a mandate and they are the results.

Spot on. The government makes ridiculous mandates, and this causes manufacturers to jump through hoops for every TENTH of a MPG. Main reason quality is in the toilet and prices are in the stratosphere.

 

The gov't tightened the MPG requirements so much 5 years ago that the only way manufacturers could meet these absolutely ridiculous numbers was to go all EV. Hence the push.

 

 

Nobody hates good MPG, Atlas - nobody is "whining". Your side has that trait all locked up. What a stupid argument attempt!

 

What I particularly hate is the government meddling in the free market system. Had this system been allowed to work as designed and intended by our Founders, cars and trucks would be hitting numbers that would blow our minds, all while costing 30% LESS. Not only that, but engines could probably hit 150k miles again without needing major internal surgery.

 

My forty year old Ford 302 has 312k on it. Wonder what changed?

Edited July 1 by Jsdirt

[Atlas]

1 hour ago, Jsdirt said:

Spot on. The government makes ridiculous mandates, and this causes manufacturers to jump through hoops for every TENTH of a MPG. Main reason quality is in the toilet and prices are in the stratosphere.

 

The gov't tightened the MPG requirements so much 5 years ago that the only way manufacturers could meet these absolutely ridiculous numbers was to go all EV. Hence the push.

 

 

Nobody hates good MPG, Atlas - nobody is "whining". Your side has that trait all locked up. What a stupid argument attempt!

 

What I particularly hate is the government meddling in the free market system. Had this system been allowed to work as designed and intended by our Founders, cars and trucks would be hitting numbers that would blow our minds, all while costing 30% LESS. Not only that, but engines could probably hit 150k miles again without needing major internal surgery.

 

My forty year old Ford 302 has 312k on it. Wonder what changed?

 

Speaking of stupid arguments, why haven't fuel economy standards been rolled back. Or if nobody is going to enforce them, why havent auto manufacturers saved themselves a bunch of headache by reverting to naturally aspirated 6's and 8's in everything again without any of the "30% more expensive" stuff?

[KARNUT]

1 hour ago, Jsdirt said:

Spot on. The government makes ridiculous mandates, and this causes manufacturers to jump through hoops for every TENTH of a MPG. Main reason quality is in the toilet and prices are in the stratosphere.

 

The gov't tightened the MPG requirements so much 5 years ago that the only way manufacturers could meet these absolutely ridiculous numbers was to go all EV. Hence the push.

 

 

Nobody hates good MPG, Atlas - nobody is "whining". Your side has that trait all locked up. What a stupid argument attempt!

 

What I particularly hate is the government meddling in the free market system. Had this system been allowed to work as designed and intended by our Founders, cars and trucks would be hitting numbers that would blow our minds, all while costing 30% LESS. Not only that, but engines could probably hit 150k miles again without needing major internal surgery.

 

My forty year old Ford 302 has 312k on it. Wonder what changed?

Sitting at my parents house are two older diesel trucks not only getting the same fuel mileage that the mini diesel gets. But both have pulled a 14K tractor on a 7K gooseneck trailer. A 2000 Ford one ton diesel and a 1998 3/4 ton 5.9 Cummins. All original. I’m certainly not complaining about the power of today’s trucks. But the additional quest for fuel mileage and the additional pollution devices have taken reliability down to half what it used to be.

[Atlas]

I'll take a newer truck over either of the aforementioned bricks any day, all day and nope a one ton diesel isn't getting high 20's (or even 30) average.

 

Hear the same thing all the time on RV forums. "I refuse to own a diesel that uses DEF because they're so unreliable!" Uh, ok Karen, well, you enjoy your busted 20+ year old rigs, nevermind the backbone of this country rides on modern diesels. But sure, let's talk about your ancient Cummings some more. (and yeah, that was an intentional misspell).

[KARNUT]

23 minutes ago, Atlas said:

I'll take a newer truck over either of the aforementioned bricks any day, all day and nope a one ton diesel isn't getting high 20's (or even 30) average.

 

Hear the same thing all the time on RV forums. "I refuse to own a diesel that uses DEF because they're so unreliable!" Uh, ok Karen, well, you enjoy your busted 20+ year old rigs, nevermind the backbone of this country rides on modern diesels. But sure, let's talk about your ancient Cummings some more. (and yeah, that was an intentional misspell).

Care to wager that those diesels don’t get better than 20 mpg? Those trucks are well kept and pristine. One is north of 250K the other is close to 175K. Never had any major repairs. It’s amazing how condensation you can get. The difference is I can back up what I say. All you do is get upset and spicy. Karen, that’s funny. Happens to be my wife’s, granddaughter and sister in law’s name. So much for originality. 

[Atlas]

23 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

Care to wager that those diesels don’t get better than 20 mpg? Those trucks are well kept and pristine. One is north of 250K the other is close to 175K. Never had any major repairs. It’s amazing how condensation you can get. The difference is I can back up what I say. All you do is get upset and spicy. Karen, that’s funny. Happens to be my wife’s, granddaughter and sister in law’s name. So much for originality. 

 

They don't get as good of mileage as a newer 1500 with a 3.0. They just don't, sorry.

 

I'm sure your trucks are nice. The newest one of the two you mentioned is 26 years old. Know what happens to old things? They eventually fall apart no matter how much you try to keep them up.

 

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Try not to take things personally. That old fluid pump of yours probably doesn't need the stress.

[KARNUT]

11 minutes ago, Atlas said:

 

They don't get as good of mileage as a newer 1500 with a 3.0. They just don't, sorry.

 

I'm sure your trucks are nice. The newest one of the two you mentioned is 26 years old. Know what happens to old things? They eventually fall apart no matter how much you try to keep them up.

 

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Try not to take things personally. That old fluid pump of yours probably doesn't need the stress.

Haha. This old man is in real good shape. If I wasn’t retired I’d still get a new truck every two years. I like the performance. My family business has a fleet of all the brands. Even performance trucks. I like the old stuff better. Too much glitter and intrusion. They don’t last like they used to. It’s a shame because the less fortunate second, third owners will pay that price.