Ready to get new Silverado - but stuck between a 6.2L and an Ecoboost

[NoMoreGM4Me]

 

 

 

 

I have 2010 6.2L with the NHT package and all I can say is coming from a couple Ford's this is the far better option. I have no problem towing my 25" boat. or anything else I throw at it. The gas mileage between this 6.2L and the 5.4L Ford I had are about the same. I am getting 13-14 in town and 16.5 on the HWY.

 

 

 

To those that posted about the spark plug issues in the F150's, Ford did finally fix this issue back in 2008. You gotta give them credit where credit is do... this only took two redesigns and 12 years to figure out

 

 

Ooooh, a 25" boat huh? how much does that weigh, about 3 lbs?

 

And they fixed the spark plug/head issue in 2004.

 

How many years did it take GM to fix the piston slap? Int steering shaft? AFM (They haven't yet)? want me to keep going?

[MikeNH]

 

 

And they fixed the spark plug/head issue in 2004.

 

 

 

They fixed one issue and caused another. Plenty of 04+ 5.4s had the plugs break off in the head.

[Wires]

I'd drive them both around town a bit and then decide on what you plan on doing with it. My 6.2L is awesome for power once the revs hit 5k. That thing pulls like a freight train to 110+MPH. But, around town, and on the highway, it's pretty doggy at low revs. You need to get into the throttle to get the power out of it.

 

I've never driven the EB, but I had put a magnacharger on my 5.3L '00, and now drive a twin-turbo BMW 3L as well, and nothing beats boost around town and on the highway. You get gobs of torque without much throttle, and aren't effected by wind/load/elevation/temperature.

 

Personally, since 95% of the time my 6.2L is used as a "car" if you would, I'd prefer the turbo option (or until my beer bottle fund hits $6k for another Magnacharger.)

 

I'm not a huge Ford fan, but it's hard to defend GM when my 6.2L clatters like a diesel when it's cold.

[Raced Guy]

Get the 6.2 and have it tuned and you will never think about another eco boost. I do know a few guys that have the eco boost and are nice trucks but the fuel mileage is not as good as advertised.

[EX-F150 owner]

I have 2010 6.2L with the NHT package and all I can say is coming from a couple Ford's this is the far better option. I have no problem towing my 25" boat. or anything else I throw at it. The gas mileage between this 6.2L and the 5.4L Ford I had are about the same. I am getting 13-14 in town and 16.5 on the HWY.

 

 

 

To those that posted about the spark plug issues in the F150's, Ford did finally fix this issue back in 2008. You gotta give them credit where credit is do... this only took two redesigns and 12 years to figure out

 

 

Ooooh, a 25" boat huh? how much does that weigh, about 3 lbs?

 

And they fixed the spark plug/head issue in 2004.

 

How many years did it take GM to fix the piston slap? Int steering shaft? AFM (They haven't yet)? want me to keep going?

 

 

Sorry for my typing error, it's a 25' boat

 

I am not thinking you know much about Ford as they had two problems. It wasn't until late 2007 that they were able to get someone smart enough to fix their second mistake.

 

I have owned a few Fords. The one pictured above was the last one I owned and the last I will ever buy. That said, this might have just been too much boat for that truck....

 

To the OP, this is why I would choose the GM 6.2L over the Ecoboost that you are asking about. If they (Ford) can't get right what they've been building for years what would make anyone think this is going to be as good as they say. IMO Ford made their best trucks pre-1996. Since then they have had spark plug issues, fuel injector issues and for some reason can't decide what gas or diesel engine is best for their trucks.. I'm just saying

 

Good luck with what ever truck you do decide to go with

[Daryl LBZ]

I have 2010 6.2L with the NHT package and all I can say is coming from a couple Ford's this is the far better option. I have no problem towing my 25" boat. or anything else I throw at it. The gas mileage between this 6.2L and the 5.4L Ford I had are about the same. I am getting 13-14 in town and 16.5 on the HWY.

 

 

 

To those that posted about the spark plug issues in the F150's, Ford did finally fix this issue back in 2008. You gotta give them credit where credit is do... this only took two redesigns and 12 years to figure out

 

 

Ooooh, a 25" boat huh? how much does that weigh, about 3 lbs?

 

And they fixed the spark plug/head issue in 2004.

 

How many years did it take GM to fix the piston slap? Int steering shaft? AFM (They haven't yet)? want me to keep going?

 

 

 

 

At least Piston Slap wasn't something you had to drop over a grand on to be fixed (Unless the noise from it annoyed you). My old mans 99 has had it for years now, and that engine has never had a problem with oil usage or any other type of problems in 180,000 miles so I myself don't see where it's that big of a deal. I'll give you the steering shaft problem theres no getting around that, but even that isn't a MAJOR problem. Now AFM is either hit or miss so IDK why your acting like it causes major problems in every GM truck? Ive been around two 5.3 AFM engines my 2009 Silverado and my Mothers 2007 Monte Carlo SS, and neither one has had oil consumption issues.

[ChevyTech77]

How many years did it take GM to fix the piston slap? Int steering shaft? AFM (They haven't yet)? want me to keep going?

 

 

And not a single one of those problems would leave you stranded on the side of the road like popcorn spark plugs would. Piston slap? Every 5.4 Triton I've listened to, cold, over the past 5-6 production years has the same thing. Intermediate shaft noise? Just

an aggravating noise nothing seriously wrong. AFM? Hit and miss. VERY hit and miss.

[rdnkcpa]

To throw a little fuel on the fire, you guys are going on about the Ford spark plug problem. They may shoot plugs out of the head (very bad), but I lived through the Castech head nightmare.

 

All manufacturers have their problems, my Silvy has given me good service. My Dad swore by his F-150's. They never gave him a bit of trouble.

[ChevyTech77]

To throw a little fuel on the fire, you guys are going on about the Ford spark plug problem. They may shoot plugs out of the head (very bad), but I lived through the Castech head nightmare.

 

All manufacturers have their problems, my Silvy has given me good service. My Dad swore by his F-150's. They never gave him a bit of trouble.

 

 

Run the numbers, lots less castech head problems then Ford spark plugs blowing out of the heads and again, the castech head issue was limited to a small number of overall production castings which lasted less than 2 model years. Ford's been blowing spark plugs out of their heads for decades.

 

Never once disagreed that they all don't have thier issues, never once. If they didn't, I'd be out of a job.

[rdnkcpa]

I did run the numbers, and I got smacked with the number. I got smacked with about $1,200 in parts to repair doing it myself. IIRC the TSB that covers the Castech head problem runs from 2001-2006 model years. I suspect the numbers are not as low as you imply. Do you have the number of Castech head failures vs Ford Self extracting spark plugs?

 

GM TSB Link: http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/Bluegorilla/2008-12-05_142924_Coolant_loss_5.3.pdf

 

But we are WAY off topic here. Buy a rig that suits YOUR needs that YOU think provides the most value. In the end it's your money not ours.

[ChevyTech77]

I did run the numbers, and I got smacked with the number. I got smacked with about $1,200 in parts to repair doing it myself. IIRC the TSB that covers the Castech head problem runs from 2001-2006 model years. I suspect the numbers are not as low as you imply. Do you have the number of Castech head failures vs Ford Self extracting spark plugs?

 

GM TSB Link: http://ww2.justanswe...nt_loss_5.3.pdf

 

But we are WAY off topic here. Buy a rig that suits YOUR needs that YOU think provides the most value. In the end it's your money not ours.

 

 

If you did the heads yourself and got raped for $1200 in parts, I do indeed feel for you and can understand why you're so pissed. I've worked in the business and we really don't see that many of them in a very high volume Chevy dealer, in truck country, really. Just because the TSB runs for 5 model years, doesn't mean that every truck in that model year span has those heads. Also, I have done a set at home/on the side for less than $750, multiple times, heads included, but hey, you're right, I'm wrong, I DID buy the truck I wanted and am MORE than happy with it, have a nice day.

[MikeNH]

Another bit to consider in the Castech vs. Ford's plug issue- I worked in a dealer shop for about 3 years before bailing for greener pastrues. If I still had access to a place to do the work, I wouldn't hesitate to tackle heads on a GM pickup. There is no amount of money that would make me consider tackling head replacement on a Ford mod motor. I was dismayed with the steering shaft thing going on for so long but the new part was under $100 if memory serves and it took me all of 15-20 minutes.

[Garrett Street]

If I were you I'd go 5.0 before Ecoboost. It will be cheaper and I feel will be more reliable in the long run. Both will tow your camper just fine and return similar MPG's loaded and unloaded. To be honest, I'd go Ram before Ford at the moment. However, I would buy a 6.2 before either of them. With the 6.2 you get the most powerful, fastest, truck in the class along with the awesome NHT Max tow package. This truck will tow better than any truck in the class and is a proven design. FE may be slightly less but to me I'd take the truck I know will outperform all the rest everytime.

 

Drive em both and see what you like.

[EX-F150 owner]

If I were you I'd go 5.0 before Ecoboost. It will be cheaper and I feel will be more reliable in the long run. Both will tow your camper just fine and return similar MPG's loaded and unloaded. To be honest, I'd go Ram before Ford at the moment. However, I would buy a 6.2 before either of them. With the 6.2 you get the most powerful, fastest, truck in the class along with the awesome NHT Max tow package. This truck will tow better than any truck in the class and is a proven design. FE may be slightly less but to me I'd take the truck I know will outperform all the rest everytime.

 

Drive em both and see what you like.

 

 

I agree. Even though Dodge was not in the mix, if GM wasn't an option that is where I would look after my experiance with Ford. and I am in no ways a Mopar Fan either.

 

 

And as rdnkacpa said, all brands do have problems but, I personally feel GM has less. Here was a list I kept of the issues I had with my last ford. I couldn't even get to 5K miles with out having the complete sunroof assembly along with the headliner replaced and this was after them already working on it with the first oild change at 3K. Nothing like having a sunroof getting stuck open and the rain is coming @ 8PM. I was just glad to see the dealer's service department open until 9 on my way home from work.

 

1. Headliner had to be shimmed do to it making a lot of noise while driving TSB 5-14-2 @ 3k

    

2. Complete sunroof and headliner replaced shortly after I bought it. Sunroof wouldn't close @ 5K

    

3. Radio replace (Audiophile unit) Keep ejecting Cd's TSB 5-10-19 @15K

    

4. antenna cable replaced twice @6K and 18K First one was stripped out on the base of the antenna socket from the factory. second one do to poor radio reception. Reception still sucks

    

5. Drive belt replace once with a new tensioner pulley @12K. Belt started squealing again @ 18K and still does to date. I need to get a Gaterback belt.

    

6. Rear axle vent was leaking connection at the rear axle and had to be resealed @12K

    

7. Rotors had a very very slight shimmy since it was new. I replaced them with some upgraded rotors, no more shimmy. There was a TSB for it 5-21-19

    

8. Rail dust removed @12K But it's all over the truck again. TSB 4-9-6

    

9. Steering wheel replaced, sticky leather @15K

    

10. Passenger headlight assembly replaced @ 30K do to reflector coming loose inside assembly.

     

11. Drivers door lock switch replaced because it was not illuminating @ 30K

     

12. Slip Yoke lubed with Teflon based grease because of a slip bump in drive shaft. TSB 5-25-11 @ 30K

     

13. PCM Flash update due to hesitation on acceleration. TSB 5-19-01/6-16-13 @ 30K

     

14. A/C compressor replaced Leaky seals in compressor. TSB 6-4-9 @ 30K

     

15. Battery replaced yesterday @ 32K

     

16. Passenger door power window switch replaced because it was not illuminating @ 32K

     

17. Sunroof switch replaced because it was not illuminating @ 33K

     

18. Rear slider switch not illuminating @ 36K

     

19. Air Bag emblem chrome separating @ 36K

     

20. Drive shaft replaced because of slip bump @ 36K

     

21. Passenger front door lock switch replaced because it was not illuminating @ 37K

     

22. Driver's window switch stopped working @ 38K

     

23. Rear slider stopped working, motor replaced @ 38K

     

24. Fuel injector #6 was sticking open. #07M08 injector extended warranty coverage 11yr/120Kmiles @ 44K

     

25. Both fog light assembly's replaced beacuse they were leaking water in them

     

26. Fuel injector #3 stock open and had to have truck towed to dealer for it to be replaced unsure of mileage but was around 60K

     

27. Transmission rebuilt because the final drive clutches went bad in it @ 66K

     

 

[rdnkcpa]

I did run the numbers, and I got smacked with the number. I got smacked with about $1,200 in parts to repair doing it myself. IIRC the TSB that covers the Castech head problem runs from 2001-2006 model years. I suspect the numbers are not as low as you imply. Do you have the number of Castech head failures vs Ford Self extracting spark plugs?

 

GM TSB Link: http://ww2.justanswe...nt_loss_5.3.pdf

 

But we are WAY off topic here. Buy a rig that suits YOUR needs that YOU think provides the most value. In the end it's your money not ours.

 

 

If you did the heads yourself and got raped for $1200 in parts, I do indeed feel for you and can understand why you're so pissed. I've worked in the business and we really don't see that many of them in a very high volume Chevy dealer, in truck country, really. Just because the TSB runs for 5 model years, doesn't mean that every truck in that model year span has those heads. Also, I have done a set at home/on the side for less than $750, multiple times, heads included, but hey, you're right, I'm wrong, I DID buy the truck I wanted and am MORE than happy with it, have a nice day.

 

 

Heads were $780.00. Gasket set about another $100.00, head bolts about $50.00, and a new set of lifters was about 150-175, so really closer to $1,150 or so. Those are all ball park prices except for the heads. So, no I did not get raped.

 

Never said you were wrong, or I was right, somewhere in between most likely.