Cancelled my '14 Denali Order

[rudapa]

You all do realize this is the internet right? I can say anything on here, the OP may be a Dodge dealer? Now I assume everyone is legit. After all after driving all the different trucks and picking the one I like the best the next thing to do is get on the internet and read about problems and cancel your order. How many people have problems? 200 - 300 - 400 - 1000 - 10,000??? Out of how many?

 

So far my truck has been fine - I'm headed out on a 2K road trip so check back with me and I'll give an update on functionality.

 

I think people need to keep stuff in perspective. Buying a new year model does pose risk and not always the best move. I assume you folks that ordered one liked it better than the others otherwise why would you mess with a new year model? I did it because I liked it best.

 

Secondly you don't know how many people on here even own a GMC/Chevy truck. Keep that in mind............

[Hspore]

What's your lease cost?

 

At the present time its still TBD because I don't have an invoice or a VIN yet. These trucks presently have a very strong residual so as long as GM doesn't "screw the pooch" as one post stated, they should remain strong. I usually do a 24 month lease on my vehicles and prepay it to avoid the interest charge, or money factor that many dealers manipulate, so if you aren't up on leasing I would encourage you to do your research. I figure based on the residuals used on a SLT CC All-Terrain Z71 the Denali will cost approximately $19,5-20,8K including sales tax. I used to buy gently used cars with low miles, however many times they were out of warranty and when a repair was needed, the costs were pricey and the inconvenience of having to arrange for alternate transportation and other hassles got old. Leasing a new vehicle gets you the best of the vehicle - and as shorter term leases are more available than they used to be you are not faced with heavy charges at the end of a 36/39 month lease where they will try and ding you for tires, brakes, etc. The initial outlay of money may be higher on a 24 month lease and your payments may be higher if you pay monthly, but its really not a factor when compared to longer terms. After 2 years, I usually am ready for someting new/different. And surely by 2016 GM will have juiced the 6.2 up so they don't play 2nd to Ford. Afterall, they have the Corvette Engine to work with. Leasing isn't for everyone, especially if you drive more than 10-12K a year, and if after you pay it off you like to have the title in hand....for me though, I need the convenience that if there is a problem, I can make an appointment to drop it off and be gone in a loaner in 10 minutes - just call me when its ready. That's my .02 worth.

[Joe_K]

At the present time its still TBD because I don't have an invoice or a VIN yet. These trucks presently have a very strong residual so as long as GM doesn't "screw the pooch" as one post stated, they should remain strong. I usually do a 24 month lease on my vehicles and prepay it to avoid the interest charge, or money factor that many dealers manipulate, so if you aren't up on leasing I would encourage you to do your research. I figure based on the residuals used on a SLT CC All-Terrain Z71 the Denali will cost approximately $19,5-20,8K including sales tax. I used to buy gently used cars with low miles, however many times they were out of warranty and when a repair was needed, the costs were pricey and the inconvenience of having to arrange for alternate transportation and other hassles got old. Leasing a new vehicle gets you the best of the vehicle - and as shorter term leases are more available than they used to be you are not faced with heavy charges at the end of a 36/39 month lease where they will try and ding you for tires, brakes, etc. The initial outlay of money may be higher on a 24 month lease and your payments may be higher if you pay monthly, but its really not a factor when compared to longer terms. After 2 years, I usually am ready for someting new/different. And surely by 2016 GM will have juiced the 6.2 up so they don't play 2nd to Ford. Afterall, they have the Corvette Engine to work with. Leasing isn't for everyone, especially if you drive more than 10-12K a year, and if after you pay it off you like to have the title in hand....for me though, I need the convenience that if there is a problem, I can make an appointment to drop it off and be gone in a loaner in 10 minutes - just call me when its ready. That's my .02 worth.

 

Just a question for you. I was advised that paying up front on a lease or putting a down payment on a lease to lower monthly payments is a bad decision. The reason is if you get in an accident and they total your vehicle, you're out the money you already put down. If you split it up completely into monthly payments, you're not responsible for the rest of the monies owed because the insurance company pays off the lienholder.

[Jon A]

And surely by 2016 GM will have juiced the 6.2 up so they don't play 2nd to Ford. Afterall, they have the Corvette Engine to work with. .

 

What Ford engine puts the current GM 6.2 into 2nd place?

[Joe_K]

What Ford engine puts the current GM 6.2 into 2nd place?

 

None, next question!!

[Horacio]

I think the bottom line here is this, we, as consumers expect better quality for our $50-$60k. The amount of issues with the new generation truck is cause for concern in my book. I'm thinking and hoping that the next production year may bring a more refined vehicle. I was counting on a purchase of a Denali in Dec or Jan, but I think I'm going to sit on the sideline for now.

[DanMan_S]

I think the best way to get a reality check about GM and the other manufacturers, is to go surf the forums for the other vehicles. When I was in my "I'm done with GM, my next vehicle is going to be an F150 phase", spending a bunch of time on the F150 forums quickly fixed me of that. They easily had just as many, or more problems, and the response from Ford was iffy at best. Go imagine spending some serious coin on a F150 Limited, only to have severe problems with their Ecoboost engines...I'm not taking minor noise or vibration issues, actual functional running issues that became a safety concern when guys engines would decide to burp at the wrong moment.

 

And then owning a GT500, I got to see alot of the Mustang problems first hand (transmission shifting issues, etc, etc).

 

It doesn't matter, all manufacturers have problems and reading about it on the forum will always scare you off. This is the sounding board for everyone that has a issue with their vehicle, so you get a high signal to noise ratio.

 

What's far more important than the manufacturer, is having a dealership that'll handle fix any issues that pop. Having a bad dealership or a bad relationship with them will make any potential problems even harder to repair.

 

That's one of the main reasons I stick with GM. I have a good local dealership that I've been using for years so I'm not too worried when an issue comes up.

[Firetiger(MN)]

Hey guys,

 

So after putting much thought into it, I decided to cancel my '14 Denali order.

 

I was really excited and eager to get it and it was due any day now, but looking at the recent threads and seeing how many people are having issues - everything from the sliding seats, warping dashes, vibrating hoods, uneven tailgates, vibrating back seats, etc...I just don't want to risk putting in $60k into this and then having to "live with the issues".

 

I think it was probably a good idea at this time.

 

For some to say that all trucks have issues is completely preposterous. If that's the standard of quality we should expect then it's no wonder why we get these trucks laden with problems...because the manufacturer knows they can get away with it!

 

No, it's not just internet "talk". If someone believes that then the members here must be the most unlucky vehicle owners in the country. As I said in the other thread, this forum is just a small sample but you can reasonably assume that if this sample size is having issues, so is the greater population of 2014 owners that aren't on this forum. It's basic statistics.

 

All one has to do is look at the forum and read the same problems that more than just one or two are having with their trucks. There is a reoccurring theme here and it shouldn't be a flip of the coin if you get one that has these problems or not. OK, so you don't have the warped dash but you did get the bad seat, does that make it acceptable? No. How about the radio that almost everyone is complaining about? Bad wheel bearings, a rear window operator that is almost guaranteed to fail, rough running engines, poor shifting transmissions, trucks that shake at speed, leaking shocks, the list goes on. Even if some of those problems are easily correctable they are supposed to be acceptable issues and we should just bend over and take it? Not in my book. I was really looking forward to moving up to a 2014 this winter but these trucks were definitely not ready for prime time and I feel bad for those who unknowingly became GM's test rats.

[Hspore]

 

What Ford engine puts the current GM 6.2 into 2nd place?

 

Presently none as was stated, however it wouldn't surprise me if Ford were to one up the 6.2 in hp just to try and stay on top as far as power goes when they debut the 2015 F150.....then it will be GM's turn to juice up the 6.2.... They all do it.

[Hspore]

 

Just a question for you. I was advised that paying up front on a lease or putting a down payment on a lease to lower monthly payments is a bad decision. The reason is if you get in an accident and they total your vehicle, you're out the money you already put down. If you split it up completely into monthly payments, you're not responsible for the rest of the monies owed because the insurance company pays off the lienholder.

Good response .....it depends on your insurance company and the coverage you have....anyone who leases knows that GAP insurance is a must....I've always contacted my agent prior to leasing a car to ensure that would not happen and had them provide written documentation to back that up. It's never been a cause for concern for me but again, just do your homework if it's something you are considering.

[Jon A]

Presently none as was stated, however it wouldn't surprise me if Ford were to one up the 6.2 in hp just to try and stay on top as far as power goes when they debut the 2015 F150.....then it will be GM's turn to juice up the 6.2.... They all do it.

 

That's certainly possible. It'll be interesting to see what they do. Other than putting a blower on one of their gas engines, I don't know what they would do. Their 6.2 could come close or beat the GM 6.2 in peak HP with some work, but it'll still have nothing for torque below 3500 RPM in comparison which for a truck engine is pretty important.

[johnnyz71]

Not entirely true about GAP insurance--if your just leasing with making monthly payments, you won't need GAP. Your money down on the lease and your monthly lease payment should negate GAP insurance. Now, if you pay the lease up front (1 payment) to avoid the interest on the lease payment--you should compare numbers between what GAP insurance will cost over the course of the lease and what the interest would have been. If your leasing for 2 years and your credit is good, the interest is very minimal. Your better off putting the lease money in a money market or some other interest bearing account and drawing monthly payments from there.

 

GAP insurance is really for people who buy brand new vehicles and are walking the fine line between how much money they put down and what they owe on the loan. If you are too heavy on the loan side and you wreck the vehicle, the bank is only going to pay off what the vehicle is worth, not what you owe.

[DanMan_S]

Presently none as was stated, however it wouldn't surprise me if Ford were to one up the 6.2 in hp just to try and stay on top as far as power goes when they debut the 2015 F150.....then it will be GM's turn to juice up the 6.2.... They all do it.

Unless Ford does some serious work to their 6.2L, it'll always come in second to the GM 6.2L. The engine was more of an afterthought in the engine lineup for the Superduty applications since the triton V10 is gone. While it has the numbers, it simply doesn't have the performance, technology or potential that the GM V8's are known for. It's a gas guzzling iron block boat anchor and if you spend any time on the Ford forums, you'll see they often would pop the heads off when forced induction was added. Saw alot of that when I was kicking around the idea of getting a Ford Raptor.

 

A better option would have been to leave the 6.2L for the Superduty's and use a forced induction 5.0 for the F150's, say a Ecoboost 5.0. The Coyote 5.0 was a vastly superior engine but it's simply under powered in a full sized pickup. Everytime it shifts, it drops you out of the torque curve.

[Z45]

The numbers of owners who post in forums like this represent less than 10% of total owners. When you consider that percentage and the fact that most people only post about problems, anecdotal evidence has even less value than you think. When it comes to something like new vehicle problems, take it with a grain of salt.

[Hspore]

Not entirely true about GAP insurance--if your just leasing with making monthly payments, you won't need GAP. Your money down on the lease and your monthly lease payment should negate GAP insurance. Now, if you pay the lease up front (1 payment) to avoid the interest on the lease payment--you should compare numbers between what GAP insurance will cost over the course of the lease and what the interest would have been. If your leasing for 2 years and your credit is good, the interest is very minimal. Your better off putting the lease money in a money market or some other interest bearing account and drawing monthly payments from there.

 

GAP insurance is really for people who buy brand new vehicles and are walking the fine line between how much money they put down and what they owe on the loan. If you are too heavy on the loan side and you wreck the vehicle, the bank is only going to pay off what the vehicle is worth, not what you owe.

Maybe its different in NY, but in FL, GAP insurance costs me $8 a YEAR on my wife's leased 2012 Tahoe. And the interest paid on a lease will depend on how well you negotiate the lease....many people are unaware that its not uncommon for dealers to jack up the interest rate/money factor as much as they can get away with but still make the lesee happy with the payment....most leases that are well negotiated can be had for 2% or less. And I understand your point of holding on to your money but its hard to find a place to keep that gives you a strong rate of return but still allows for liquidity. Most money markets and even CD's are paying one half of one percent! And if you have GAP insurance whether on a lease or a loan, the insurance company will pay the difference between what you owe and what the car is worth, should you be upside down - at least that's how it works in Florida. Good points all around and something to consider for those that only keep their vehicles for a short time or even those that drive them forever.