Ziebart Undercoating

[Sierra Boy]

And your company that you use is........?

 

Sierra Boy

[Ventilator]

And your company that you use is........?

 

Sierra Boy

Auto Appearance Center

[Sierra Boy]

Local to you or are there many?

 

Also...thank you for your service!

 

Sierra Boy

[Langer19]

Also interested to know the answer ^^

 

 

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[Ventilator]

Local to you or are there many?

 

Also...thank you for your service!

 

Sierra Boy

Auto Appearance Center of Grand Rapids, Michigan. I did a Google search, and came up with similar names, but this one is independently owned. The materials they use may be through a franchise though? I have 7 coupons that I can use any time I wish for paint sealant, buff & shine. They will also inspect and retreat the undercoating annually for the life of the truck.

 

They also use the Rhino Liner brand, but I chose to go with Line-X Platinum Liner at another location. You're welcome.

[nuclearxp]

I'm also in MI and can attest to the amount of salt used. However, the warranty recommendation says to flush the under carriage twice a year and not mess around with rust proofers. I would love to compare under body rust from my 2014 and someone else in Michigan that "swears" by rust proofing in about 6 years and compare the results.

 

I find it interesting that the three largest domestic OEMs primary design/test in this area and do NOT recommend rust proofing but instead regularly flushing out the bottom side yet people still do this rust proofing stuff. I follow the factory instructions with my 2009 Malibu that has seen 5 years of salty Michigan roads and there is minimal if any oxidation anywhere on the underside (I check it twice a year).

 

People would be shocked with the success they get if they ACTUALLY follow the directions (under body flush twice a year) instead of just doing whatever aftermarket solution "sounds" practical.

[Ventilator]

I'm guessing you don't live on a gravel road, and probably don't leave the pavement?

 

Have you even looked at some of the 2014 frames? I have been driving mine for 16 months, and that is a minimum of 5 miles on gravel/dirty roads every trip out. If it is raining our recently rained, that puts dirt/mud with the salt brine mixed in to into every nook and cranny on the underside of the truck. This includes where the body panels meet above the rear wheel wells. Look around any parking lot in rural Michigan, not the cities with all the pavement queens. 5 year old trucks with rust through is common on Rams, with Ford and GM not far behind.

 

 

I can find 2014's on the lots that have rust on the frames. I have a 22 year old truck in my barn with a quarter million miles on it that looks better than a lot of trucks under 10 years old. I just use it around the house and farm for od jobs now, but if it wasn't rust proofed, that thing would have been in the scrap heap years ago. These roads are hell on vehicles, and unless you drive on them every day, you cannot begin to understand. I also have a 29 year old Camaro that has been rustproofing and undercoated from day one that doesn't have a speck of rust on it. It has a paint sealant on it that has a Miracle Shield never wax again guarantee. It is all original and has never been waxed in it's lifetime, 29 years. I guarantee!

 

I find it funny that I have yet to have a dealer not offer and recommend rustproofing on any new car or truck I have ever bought. That is because they see the value it brings to vehicles they either buy or take in on trade. They tell me it makes a big difference, but I don't have to just take their word for it, I can just look around and see it.

 

I have relatives that used to think they could get away from undercoating and rustfroofing too. And they can up until about year 7 or 8, then not so much. While I can usually get to about year 12 or 13 on my daily drivers before the signs of the inevitable show up.

 

Rust is like cancer, the only sure way to stop it once started is to cut it out. You will never completely stop it from happening, but you can do certain things that will slow it down, or not. It's your choice!

[Crf450r420]

There is rust on my 14 and I'm in Florida. Guess the coating can't take the heat?

[99silveradoz71]

I skipped Ziebart on my 08 when I found out about them drilling holes.

[Bonker]

That's what put me off I don't like the idea of someone drilling holes in the body panels of my truck, my last vehicle was a 2007 Avalanche with no rustproofing and there was not a spec of rust on the vehicle anywhere when I traded her in. So I will take my chances with my Sierra and leave it the way it came from the factory. Our roads in Ontario get heavily covered with salt in the winter, I just take it to the coin operated car wash and spray it down once per week.

[Langer19]

That's what put me off I don't like the idea of someone drilling holes in the body panels of my truck, my last vehicle was a 2007 Avalanche with no rustproofing and there was not a spec of rust on the vehicle anywhere when I traded her in. So I will take my chances with my Sierra and leave it the way it came from the factory. Our roads in Ontario get heavily covered with salt in the winter, I just take it to the coin operated car wash and spray it down once per week.

Yeah I'm in Calgary/Edmonton for most of my driving so we also see heavy salt...that's why I asked about Ziebart. From the comments here I'm moving away from that option and will see what the dealer has to offer

 

 

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[nuclearxp]

I'm guessing you don't live on a gravel road, and probably don't leave the pavement?

 

Have you even looked at some of the 2014 frames? I have been driving mine for 16 months, and that is a minimum of 5 miles on gravel/dirty roads every trip out. If it is raining our recently rained, that puts dirt/mud with the salt brine mixed in to into every nook and cranny on the underside of the truck. This includes where the body panels meet above the rear wheel wells. Look around any parking lot in rural Michigan, not the cities with all the pavement queens. 5 year old trucks with rust through is common on Rams, with Ford and GM not far behind.

 

 

I can find 2014's on the lots that have rust on the frames. I have a 22 year old truck in my barn with a quarter million miles on it that looks better than a lot of trucks under 10 years old. I just use it around the house and farm for od jobs now, but if it wasn't rust proofed, that thing would have been in the scrap heap years ago. These roads are hell on vehicles, and unless you drive on them every day, you cannot begin to understand. I also have a 29 year old Camaro that has been rustproofing and undercoated from day one that doesn't have a speck of rust on it. It has a paint sealant on it that has a Miracle Shield never wax again guarantee. It is all original and has never been waxed in it's lifetime, 29 years. I guarantee!

 

I find it funny that I have yet to have a dealer not offer and recommend rustproofing on any new car or truck I have ever bought. That is because they see the value it brings to vehicles they either buy or take in on trade. They tell me it makes a big difference, but I don't have to just take their word for it, I can just look around and see it.

 

I have relatives that used to think they could get away from undercoating and rustfroofing too. And they can up until about year 7 or 8, then not so much. While I can usually get to about year 12 or 13 on my daily drivers before the signs of the inevitable show up.

 

Rust is like cancer, the only sure way to stop it once started is to cut it out. You will never completely stop it from happening, but you can do certain things that will slow it down, or not. It's your choice!

So,

from all that, do I gather that you don't know anybody that followed the factory recommendations and flushed the underbody at least twice a year up to and through years 8+.

 

My point is, the folks are either few and far between, or totally nonexistent that follow the instructions they're given. With that said, we have almost nobody to show empirically that one option or the other actually works.

 

There are also other variables that could affect longevity like aftermarket modifications or extreme conditions like your road that might chip or remove a factory protectant (paint, wax etc) and cause excessive rust. I still think that an apples to apples comparison of similar vehicles treated with underbody coating vs. being cared for as recommended that are driven in the same basic conditions will show very similar performances for these newer vehicles.

[HondaHawkGT]

The wax GM has used for years now is garbage. In fact it tends to peel at any sharp endge or thin spot on the frame, creating an entry point for water and salt to get absorbed underneath the remaining wax.

 

The best undercoating I've been able to find is either a lanolin based product like Krown or Fluid Film, or something more permanent like POR-15 which would require removing the body and degreasing the entire frame. GM needs to wake up and address the rusting issue the right way.

[Ventilator]

The wax GM has used for years now is garbage. In fact it tends to peel at any sharp endge or thin spot on the frame, creating an entry point for water and salt to get absorbed underneath the remaining wax.

 

The best undercoating I've been able to find is either a lanolin based product like Krown or Fluid Film, or something more permanent like POR-15 which would require removing the body and degreasing the entire frame. GM needs to wake up and address the rusting issue the right way.

The new Colorado/Canyon both have real nice looking painted frames. Didn't crawl under, just looked at the exposed frame in the rear wheel wells, but it looks like it might be a nice powder coat.

[sdeeter19555]

The wax GM has used for years now is garbage. In fact it tends to peel at any sharp endge or thin spot on the frame, creating an entry point for water and salt to get absorbed underneath the remaining wax.

 

The best undercoating I've been able to find is either a lanolin based product like Krown or Fluid Film, or something more permanent like POR-15 which would require removing the body and degreasing the entire frame. GM needs to wake up and address the rusting issue the right way.

Had Fluid Film done, gone in six months...this will be the third truck I had done, same result on all three.

 

The only thing I have luck with is oil undercoating.

 

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