2017 Gas 2500 Changes

[Hockeylover86]

Sticking with gas motors I will put a 6.0 up against a 3.5 Ecoboost any day, I assure you the 6.0 can be abused, lugged, pulled heavy, and have horrible maintenance and still be going like its nothing at 300,000 miles, I do not believe the same to be true for a Ecoboost.

 

Thats because the engineering spec for the 6.0 is HD and 3.5 ECO is not....

 

Lets durability test a 6.0 gas against a 5.9 Cummins, Cummins wins every time, because of the design and engineering specs its built to.

[Hockeylover86]

I agree. The frames will remain steel. While a heavy commercial truck, one can option a aluminum frame, not many do so, except on trailers where it is the norm to do so. For the light truck market, that won't likely happen.

 

Yes I agree that the frames will remain steel for a while, first reason is cost, second would probably be crash dynamics.

 

I'm not sure how a full aluminum frame would react to crash compared to steel, rip vs fold?

[SMiller]

 

Thats because the engineering spec for the 6.0 is HD and 3.5 ECO is not....

 

Lets durability test a 6.0 gas against a 5.9 Cummins, Cummins wins every time, because of the design and engineering specs its built to.

Why are you comparing a $9,000 engine option to a standard gas motor?

[George C]

Why are you comparing a $9,000 engine option to a standard gas motor?

Apples to oranges. I agree.

I also agree that the EB has a long way to go to compare itself to the 6.0. But again the jury is out, and it may prove to be just as durable. We will see.

 

The 6.0l is durable, but it's also a fossil. GM can and should do much better.

[Cowpie]

Yes I agree that the frames will remain steel for a while, first reason is cost, second would probably be crash dynamics.

 

I'm not sure how a full aluminum frame would react to crash compared to steel, rip vs fold?

Aluminum doesn't get as much credit as it deserves. On commercial trucks one can even spec aliminum drive axles. Guts are the same as standard diffs. Aliminum frames on commercial trucks can perform equally with steel frames. But cost is a major factor. One has to have a definitive need for the weight reduction to justify additional cost of aluminum frames and axles.

[Hockeylover86]

Aluminum doesn't get as much credit as it deserves. On commercial trucks one can even spec aliminum drive axles. Guts are the same as standard diffs. Aliminum frames on commercial trucks can perform equally with steel frames. But cost is a major factor. One has to have a definitive need for the weight reduction to justify additional cost of aluminum frames and axles.

 

I agree, aluminum is a great material to use, its just going to cost more.

 

Do you know if commercial trucks need to meet any sort of NHTSA standards?

 

Im not sure where that comes in on passenger vehicles vs commercial?

[Hockeylover86]

Why are you comparing a $9,000 engine option to a standard gas motor?

 

The comment was made that a n/a V8 gas motor is generally more durable than a turbocharged 6 cylinder motor, which I took as a general statement.

 

I just provided an example that shows the opposite.

 

I realize that a more robust design is going to cost more, thats a given.

[LongrangeLauber]

 

The comment was made that a n/a V8 gas motor is generally more durable than a turbocharged 6 cylinder motor, which I took as a general statement.

 

I just provided an example that shows the opposite.

 

I realize that a more robust design is going to cost more, thats a given.

I believe he was just trying to compare the six liter GM naturally aspirated motor to the EcoBoost twin turbo motor. The Cummins turbo diesel is in a completely different class in my opinion

[Cowpie]

I agree, aluminum is a great material to use, its just going to cost more.

 

Do you know if commercial trucks need to meet any sort of NHTSA standards?

 

Im not sure where that comes in on passenger vehicles vs commercial?

There are structural, braking, and other requirements that must be met by heavy commercial vehicles. Collision avoidance systems are close to mandate implementation. The targeted standards differ to some degree, but there are very similar requirements.

[Hockeylover86]

I believe he was just trying to compare the six liter GM naturally aspirated motor to the EcoBoost twin turbo motor. The Cummins turbo diesel is in a completely different class in my opinion

 

Could be.

 

However, the GM 6.0 and Eco 3.5 are in different classes also.

 

The Eco 3.5 is not available in a 2500/3500 truck.

[bwh2003]

Could be.

 

However, the GM 6.0 and Eco 3.5 are in different classes also.

 

The Eco 3.5 is not available in a 2500/3500 truck.

I thought that was hilarious. They want to compare the 3.5 ecoboost LD motor vs the 6.0 HD motor but complain when someone wants to compare the 5.9 Cummins HD motor. Talk about picking your battles......

[SMiller]

I thought that was hilarious. They want to compare the 3.5 ecoboost LD motor vs the 6.0 HD motor but complain when someone wants to compare the 5.9 Cummins HD motor. Talk about picking your battles......

You guys sure are splitting hairs, ok to make you happy let's take the last gen 5.3 out of the HALF TON and compare it to the EcoBoost, same damn results from basically the same motor...

 

 

Now what is your point again???

[Hockeylover86]

Enough about comparing apples to cherries...

 

I think GM does have a plan to upgrade the MY17 gas engine, the 6.0 probably still has lots of HP/TQ inside waiting to be unlocked.

 

420hp/450tq would be just the ticket...

[GuyGene]

I'm learning a lot here. I just love reading about trucks! I just started leaning toward a 3/4 ton after a Christmas trip to PA and back. Whew, you need a tough truck when traveling! We went in our 1/2 ton, but we also want a bigger trailer, but not a diesel.

 

From what I've read, I don't like direct injection.

[GMmaniac]

Great to see someone comparing an Eco-Tec engine to a Vortec engine, A 6.2 Eco-Tec that isn't Flex fuel and runs only on 92 Octane gas to a Flex fuel Vortec 6.0 engine. Going to a 2500, 3500 HD forum to compare their 1500 truck.

 

Those who favor Dodge, Ford vehicles and post in GM Forums. 1500 payload, tow ratings to 2500 HD 3500 HD payload, tow rating and when told they are out of their payload, tow ratings whine, and argue about it.

 

Those that buy a new vehicle and expect it not to have a recall of something.

 

The best truck to own doesn't matter what brand, model, or even year. The Best Truck to own is the one you have the title to in your pocket.

 

The best way not to get any recalled vehicle is buy a vehicle used with 50k miles on it.

 

Ken