2017 Gas 2500 Changes

[Cowpie]

The major numbers regarding power and such is more of a personal user kind of thing, and personal users are a fraction of the total 2500/3500 market. 3/4 of the market is commercial buyers, and just about 3 to 1 those commercial buyers choose gas over diesel for various reasons. A new Dmax/Allison combo would only appeal to a limited portion of the 2500/3500 market, much in the way a 6.2L would appeal to a limited segment.

 

That is the dilemma that any OEM faces. They want to up the ante to garner a larger portion of the overall HD pickup market, but they have to do it in a way that doesn't cause them to lose their large commercial user base. Personal users rarely if ever put the stress on their pickup that a commercial user does. Most commercial users, if they are needing more power and capability are going to look to the class 4, 5, and 6 vehicles. Only personal users seem to be interested in trying to have class 8 truck power in a class 2 or class 3 pickup.

[LongrangeLauber]

Bc they're lighter so it makes it that much funner lol

 

 

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[Hockeylover86]

The major numbers regarding power and such is more of a personal user kind of thing, and personal users are a fraction of the total 2500/3500 market. 3/4 of the market is commercial buyers, and just about 3 to 1 those commercial buyers choose gas over diesel for various reasons. A new Dmax/Allison combo would only appeal to a limited portion of the 2500/3500 market, much in the way a 6.2L would appeal to a limited segment.

 

That is the dilemma that any OEM faces. They want to up the ante to garner a larger portion of the overall HD pickup market, but they have to do it in a way that doesn't cause them to lose their large commercial user base. Personal users rarely if ever put the stress on their pickup that a commercial user does. Most commercial users, if they are needing more power and capability are going to look to the class 4, 5, and 6 vehicles. Only personal users seem to be interested in trying to have class 8 truck power in a class 2 or class 3 pickup.

Interesting,

 

I never though of the 2500/3500 truck market as being a majority commercial.

 

And I sure wouldn't have though commercial users would ever consider gasoline engines over diesel.

[LongrangeLauber]

Interesting,

 

I never though of the 2500/3500 truck market as being a majority commercial.

 

And I sure wouldn't have though commercial users would ever consider gasoline engines over diesel.

That's basically all we have at work are GM box trucks and vans, with either a 4.8, 6.0, and one with a 5.7. For what we do, with a diminishing load, it's not worth the premium for diesel.

 

Most construction companies have HD trucks due to their tools in the bed constantly, I've noticed most are GM or Ford as well. Seems like GM has mainly 6.0 in their work trucks and most of the Fords are powerstrokes

 

 

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[Cowpie]

I travel over a 15 state area throughout the year. I have watched 2500/3500 pickups over a long, long time and made both mental and paper counts of the ratio of gasser to diesel in commercial pickups. It is a 3 to 1 average in favor of gassers, across the spectrum. The local farmer's coop service in my area has just about all of their 2500's on gas. And those folks load the snot out of them with feed, seed, and tow tanks of anhydrous ammonia and other stuff to and from farms. Many of the utility companies near me with their construction box equipped 2500/3500 pickups are gassers. I think CJ might be right in terms of what GM and Ford pickups tend to be equipped with for commercial users. Iowa tends to be GM heavy for the commercial users, and most of those are gassers.

[SMiller]

I travel over a 15 state area throughout the year. I have watched 2500/3500 pickups over a long, long time and made both mental and paper counts of the ratio of gasser to diesel in commercial pickups. It is a 3 to 1 average in favor of gassers, across the spectrum. The local farmer's coop service in my area has just about all of their 2500's on gas. And those folks load the snot out of them with feed, seed, and tow tanks of anhydrous ammonia and other stuff to and from farms. Many of the utility companies near me with their construction box equipped 2500/3500 pickups are gassers. I think CJ might be right in terms of what GM and Ford pickups tend to be equipped with for commercial users. Iowa tends to be GM heavy for the commercial users, and most of those are gassers.

I used to be the fleet manager for the second largest lawn care company in the US, they had a few different trucks but 1000's of '11+ 3500HD SRW 6.0 trucks, they get ran into the ground and are pushing or pulling every single mile, they flat hold up great! I cannot think of a better HD truck/drive train out there.

 

50,000 miles in one of their trucks would equal 500,000 miles in my truck!

[KMGZ400]

I think 2017 gas HD will be the same 6.0, 6 speed they have now. It's a tough combo. Speaking of tough.... GM still puts a 4.8 with the HD 6 speed in the cargo vans, that combo is bulletproof.

I just bought a 2014 express 1500 with 4.8 and 4 speed it quite possibly could be the most underpowered vehicle I have ever driven.. But should be pretty reliable!

[Hockeylover86]

I just bought a 2014 express 1500 with 4.8 and 4 speed it quite possibly could be the most underpowered vehicle I have ever driven.. But should be pretty reliable!

 

I grew up on a farm in MI, our truck was a 1979 F350 dually with a gas 300 CI straight-six manual tranny....

 

THAT was the most under powered truck I have ever driven, but you could not kill that thing...

[newdude]

I just bought a 2014 express 1500 with 4.8 and 4 speed it quite possibly could be the most underpowered vehicle I have ever driven.. But should be pretty reliable!

 

No 2500 with 4.8? Those get the 6L80 and the 6L80 wakes up that underdog 4.8 quite a bit.

[LongrangeLauber]

 

No 2500 with 4.8? Those get the 6L80 and the 6L80 wakes up that underdog 4.8 quite a bit.

One of our box trucks has a 4.8 with 4L80E in it. It is only available in single rear wheel configuration though. It's only a 12 ft box so it isn't so bad. 160k and going strong!

 

 

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[Big Whiskey]

I'd love to see an iron block 400hp/450tq 6.2....without AFM....and 4:10 gears with the 8-speed. That would be a fun truck to drive...and might even manage 15-16 mpg, which is about all I'm getting now, haha

[Hockeylover86]

I'd love to see an iron block 400hp/450tq 6.2....without AFM....and 4:10 gears with the 8-speed. That would be a fun truck to drive...and might even manage 15-16 mpg, which is about all I'm getting now, haha

I agree, something like that configuration I would buy, I wouldn't even mind them taking another shot at a revised 8.1L, but I really think it was a sales flop, so it wont be back..

[Cowpie]

On the big block side, I would really like to see a updated version of the 454. One of the best motors ever made and had a long run.

[SMiller]

On the big block side, I would really like to see a updated version of the 454. One of the best motors ever made and had a long run.

 

LSX454...

[Hockeylover86]

On the big block side, I would really like to see a updated version of the 454. One of the best motors ever made and had a long run.

 

I think the Vortec series of the 454 was a good motor, but the 8100 was better for a truck, and I don't think it was any thirstier than a 454.

 

The 8100 just didnt sell