Thinking about dumping the half ton.

[George C]

Funny how many of the commercial ag operations in my area didn't get the memo that the 6.0L / 4.10 wouldn't tow very well. I regularly see them towing twin anhydrous ammonia tank trailers around and hauling over a ton of other products. Most of them have moved away from diesel in their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups. One of the reasons I got the 6.0 in my 2015 and have not been disappointed. if I was yanking a TT cross country quite a bit of the year, yeah, I would invest in diesel. It would make sense. Fuel economy with my 2015 6.0 2500HD hasn't been that bad. It has averaged 14 mpg for it's 23K miles and that includes everything... frequent hilly gravel roads, off road in farm country, in town, and highway. Hauling and empty. Winter and summer. And if diesel ever rises to the level of pricing it was a few years ago.. almost $5 a gallon.. I won't be crying in my beer over how much it costs to fill it up.

Like others, I've owned a series of diesels, along with a series of gasoline powered trucks.

To even suggest that the 6.0l can tow, shows me how low the standards of towing power can decend.

 

Maybe the "memo" serves people differently.

Me for instance.

I tow short distances. I chose gas for simplicity. It's a cheap, simple engine that is for the most part, bullet proof.

It doesn't require complex emissions equipment or the initial cost of a Diesel engine upgrade.. The fuel is much more temperature stable for northern winter work applications, and as I said before, I plow snow.

 

But, it doesn't tow worth a damn. A headwind kills any momentum that you could possible build when towing up a grade, and the fuel mileage is totally and undeniably abysmal across the board. All of that is without question across the board, even to the most positive gas engine user.

 

So the 6.0l does have its strong suits, but towing and economy is NOT part of the equation.

[Cowpie]

And in all fairness it depends on what is being towed. TT's are absolutely aerodynamic nightmares. Anything more than a light breeze screws things up. More low profile trailers and loads fair better. Weight isn't as major a concern.

[2018GMC]

Another point - Duramax holds its value much better than a 3/4 ton gas. Check used prices in your area 6.0 vs 6.6.

 

I agree each has there strong points. We all expect a new duramax 2017. Curious to what will replace the 6.0 gas...

 

 

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[George C]

Another point - Duramax holds its value much better than a 3/4 ton gas. Check used prices in your area 6.0 vs 6.6.

I agree each has there strong points. We all expect a new duramax 2017. Curious to what will replace the 6.0 gas...

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That's not really true.

Truck to truck, the Diesel resale value needs to be 8k above a comparably equipped gas truck in order to make up the added purchase cost of the diesel option. It usually isn't much more than half, so there is no resale advantage. In fact in most cases, there is less resale value to the diesel owner because anything less than the extra 8k becomes extra depreciation.

[Cowpie]

And while diesel fuel is roughly the same price as gas now, it sure wasn't that long ago that diesel was approaching the $5 a gallon mark in many areas, and exceeded it in some, and topped gasoline prices by over a dollar in many areas. I sure hope it doesn't happen again, but history has a nasty way of repeating itself. A few years ago when this happened, any supposed higher resale value dried up. Sales of diesel vehicles across the spectrum took a major hit, both new and used. Of course all pickup sales were slammed to some degree, but diesel was really hit. It is one of the reasons that many commercial buyers are going with gas engines in HD pickups, they don't want to get burned again. And the emissions stuff plays into it as well.

 

I have stated it before and stand by it.... to base a buying decision on some supposed resale value at the back end is pretty lame. No one can predict markets that far in advance. Get what you truly need and can deal with paying for, and forget some idea of resale at the other end. Many folks buy with some resale thing in mind and get sorely disappointed later on. Happens all the time with trucks from Class 2 all the way up thru Class 8. You want to get a good resale value, then buy a 1955 Chevy Belair and restore it.

[Hockeylover86]

While most times there is little truth to the extra resale value, its biggest on the pre-dpf trucks.

 

Right now I could sell my 07 LBZ with 28,000 miles on it for close to what I paid for it 8 years ago.

 

Again, this doesn't apply to the current generation, but depending on what is coming and how long you keep the truck you never know.

 

With the prices skyrocketing on the new redesigns, the time might be right to pick up a 2016 diesel with great incentives that are here now and bigger ones to come.

[George C]

Yes, a huge reason the 07'-10' trucks are so strong has more to do with the skyrocketing prices of new. If miles were in check, and condition was maintained, buyers during that time period rode a few years of depreciation free ownership.

[Nathan79]

My 6.0 w 4.10 rear end tows my 7500lb travel trailer with ease up and down mountains. Anyone who says it can't tow is blowing a bunch of hot air and full of it.

[Nathan79]

Like others, I've owned a series of diesels, along with a series of gasoline powered trucks.

To even suggest that the 6.0l can tow, shows me how low the standards of towing power can decend.

 

Maybe the "memo" serves people differently.

Me for instance.

I tow short distances. I chose gas for simplicity. It's a cheap, simple engine that is for the most part, bullet proof.

It doesn't require complex emissions equipment or the initial cost of a Diesel engine upgrade.. The fuel is much more temperature stable for northern winter work applications, and as I said before, I plow snow.

 

But, it doesn't tow worth a damn. A headwind kills any momentum that you could possible build when towing up a grade, and the fuel mileage is totally and undeniably abysmal across the board. All of that is without question across the board, even to the most positive gas engine user.

 

So the 6.0l does have its strong suits, but towing and economy is NOT part of the equation.

Hogwash. My experience says you have no clue. There is a multi page thread over on rv.net of many many happy towing owners of the 6.0.

[George C]

Well Nathan, I think it's you who has his head buried in the sand.

You do understand the 6.0L only churns out a weak 380 lbs of torque, right?

Even 4:10 gears can't hide that fact.

You understand that no matter how low someone's standards are, it's laughable to someone who knows what towing with 900 lbs of torque is like. Heck, my wife's 15' Yukon Denali out torques my 6.0l by 80 lbs, and out tows it when we hook the Yukon to our 6k boat.

 

Usually "happy owners" and "more affordable payment" go hand in hand.

Hook up a DMax or a 6.2L gasser to their trailer and see how fast the "happy owners" at Rv.net suddenly become disappointed in the 6.0L.

[Nathan79]

No one said the 6.0 performs at the same level as the 6.6. But to say the 6.0 is weak and can't get the job done when towing heavy is BS, especially to even consider the little half ton whether 5.3 or 6.2.

[George C]

Sure it can get the job done, just not very well, and bordering on pathetic at 380 lbs. of torque.

[Nathan79]

Many happy owners towing heavy with the 6.0.

Just one of many threads on the web. Of course there are always a minority of naysayers but they are definitely a miniscule group.

 

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/28937311.cfm

[George C]

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[SouthpawHD]

It's bad enough all the keyboard commandos argue about brands on RVnet, now the GM owners have to argue because one guy likes one motor over another. Amazing.