Coronavirus

Turd Ferguson · May 6, 2020

The Zip · May 6, 2020

57 minutes ago, Ithan Henry said:

So what's the solution? Do we allow more businesses to open and have regular citizens report violations? That's gonna flood local PD with way more work than they can handle. Will people be civil when someone asks them to put a mask on? Some will, but there will be confrontations over this. In my brief 40 years of existence I've come to know that most people in general are good natured and considerate of others. However, there are WAY too many people that don't care about anyone but themselves and won't follow the rules. Those are the people that worry me.

Do we allow more businesses to open and have regular citizens report violations? That's gonna flood local PD with way more work than they can handle. Yes on opening as long as they are following guidelines, even theirs. No on regular citizens reporting, citizens are not covid compliance police. Reporting instances will distract local PD from more important responsibilities on the street and in the office. Will people be civil when someone asks them to put a mask on? Some will, but there will be confrontations over this. Anyone not wearing a mask will "probably" be confrontational, or else they would be wearing a mask?

Your solution, you have to be inconvenienced cause your not responsible for controlling people. This doesn't mean to deal with it, this means you have to leave. Once you get your family in the safety of your home, notify the business. They'll remember turning down a potential sale.

The Zip · May 6, 2020

1 hour ago, Ithan Henry said:

In my brief 40 years of existence...

For a young fella, Kudos. You did the right thing.

KARNUT · May 6, 2020

You're right, there are choices, I totally agree with that. Just because someone has the right to stay in doesn't make them scared. It's like saying folks that go out are stupid. Neither reasoning pass the test. Most people have valid reasons for doing either whether it be by choice or necessity.

Staying home is a choice, scared or cautious whatever the label is. Keeping people from going out whatever the reason is wrong. It empowers the wrong people. As we’re seeing.

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KARNUT · May 6, 2020

Do we allow more businesses to open and have regular citizens report violations? That's gonna flood local PD with way more work than they can handle. Yes on opening as long as they are following guidelines, even theirs. No on regular citizens reporting, citizens are not covid compliance police. Reporting instances will distract local PD from more important responsibilities on the street and in the office. Will people be civil when someone asks them to put a mask on? Some will, but there will be confrontations over this. Anyone not wearing a mask will "probably" be confrontational, or else they would be wearing a mask?

Your solution, you have to be inconvenienced cause your not responsible for controlling people. This doesn't mean to deal with it, this means you have to leave. Once you get your family in the safety of your home, notify the business. They'll remember turning down a potential sale.

Allowing people to open, really? We’re still in the USA right? If you’re under 50 you have almost 0 chance of dying or even showing symptoms. People who are at risk can get deliveries and don’t need to engage at all. I can get everything delivered, even a new car. We jump the shark big time on this.

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Ithan Henry · May 6, 2020

2 hours ago, KARNUT said:

Allowing people to open, really? We’re still in the USA right? If you’re under 50 you have almost 0 chance of dying or even showing symptoms. People who are at risk can get deliveries and don’t need to engage at all. I can get everything delivered, even a new car. We jump the shark big time on this.

So in your scenario, if someone were high risk, would they have protection of their job and if necessary, receive gov't assistance for staying home? How exactly would you see that working? Because if the choice to stay home doesn't have guarantees for the high risk, then we aren't really protecting them or giving them a choice. I bring this up because there are plenty of elected officials that wouldn't mind seeing pre-existing conditions protections being thrown out, so this would be a point of contention.

KARNUT · May 6, 2020

So in your scenario, if someone were high risk, would they have protection of their job and if necessary, receive gov't assistance for staying home? How exactly would you see that working? Because if the choice to stay home doesn't have guarantees for the high risk, then we aren't really protecting them or giving them a choice. I bring this up because there are plenty of elected officials that wouldn't mind seeing pre-existing conditions protections being thrown out, so this would be a point of contention.

So, let’s say at least at this time over 30 million people lost their jobs or business. Some who are able to work. To protect the few who may be at risk. Or have wavers for unemployment for people who are at risk per a doctor’s note. Let the others work and go about their business. Right now we have states and cities getting ready to lay off in record numbers. They’ll be cutting back pensions next. What are the older retired people going to do? We can only print so much money. That’s why some of the blue states are holding back they want federal money. They’re pensions are all ready in trouble. They need a bail out. I bet people think it’s because they care. Yea really.

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The Zip · May 6, 2020

On 4/14/2020 at 9:44 AM, The Zip said:

Because the country doesn't have the capacity to test everyone, let's get the economy restarted with the least vulnerable, those without pre-existing conditions. Let's test those folks and put them back to work and see how that goes. It may buy some time to get the most vulnerable tested.

31 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

So, let’s say at least at this time over 30 million people lost their jobs or business. Some who are able to work. To protect the few who may be at risk. Or have wavers for unemployment for people who are at risk per a doctor’s note. Let the others work and go about their business.

This is not a novel idea, but just like everything else, it's late. People are getting paid and are in charge to figure this stuff out.

Ithan Henry · May 6, 2020

40 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

That’s why some of the blue states are holding back they want federal money. They’re pensions are all ready in trouble. They need a bail out. I bet people think it’s because they care. Yea really.

Let's not blue state/ red state this. We all need to get past this type of thinking and act as a unified country again. Both sides need to do their part if we plan on coming out of this stronger.

KARNUT · May 6, 2020

This is not a novel idea, but just like everything else, it's late. People are getting paid and are in charge to figure this stuff out.

I’m a retired business person. If you want to survive you figure things out. If you don’t, you don’t survive. The difference is the people who are working on this and advising. Are going to get paid wrong or right. I haven’t change my opinion since the start of this thread. Before the damage was done.

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KARNUT · May 6, 2020

Let's not blue state/ red state this. We all need to get past this type of thinking and act as a unified country again. Both sides need to do their part if we plan on coming out of this stronger.

Unified? When? The big man tried that. Where have you been? It would be nice though. But there’s election in a few short months.

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SnakeEyeSS · May 6, 2020

The non essentials have been back on the roads the last few days here. Now I know where all the bad drivers have been the last month.

I've changed my mind. Longer quarantine.

Booger T · May 6, 2020

On ‎5‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 11:02 PM, Grumpy Bear said:

(Somebody has a team of Six Sigma Black Belts)

I've seen them in action many times in my work place, I personally think they are overpaid idiots for the most part.

The Zip · May 6, 2020

50 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

The difference is the people who are working on this and advising. Are going to get paid wrong or right. I haven’t change my opinion since the start of this thread. Before the damage was done.

Changing your mind was not the point. As for paid advisors, if they're wrong, they get replaced.

Edited May 6, 2020 by The Zip

The Zip · May 6, 2020

12 minutes ago, SnakeEyeSS said:

The non essentials have been back on the roads the last few days here. Now I know where all the bad drivers have been the last month.

I've changed my mind. Longer quarantine.

Funny. My son said the same thing, he drives a 26 footer.