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[KARNUT]

Joey Lagano is another driver that Gibbs gave up on. Congratulations to Joey for winning number 3. 

[customboss]

My friend died and he wore overalls like me. Used a propeller driven dyno in early days and was a secret weapon to building great engines with his brother. 
 

NASCAR Hall-of-Fame driver Bobby Allison has died at 86

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/10/g-s1-33632/bobby-allison-nascar-hall-of-fame-driver-died

[KARNUT]

4 hours ago, customboss said:

My friend died and he wore overalls like me. Used a propeller driven dyno in early days and was a secret weapon to building great engines with his brother. 
 

NASCAR Hall-of-Fame driver Bobby Allison has died at 86

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/10/g-s1-33632/bobby-allison-nascar-hall-of-fame-driver-died

I was against the chase for the championship. I’m obviously old school. I’m seeing the reality of it. The cream did raise to the top. Jimmy Johnson during his dominance with Chad his Crew Chief. Used the regular season as test sessions. Get a win lock in spend time trying new setups. The win and in creates excitement. I do agree with Keven Harvick the regular season champion should be in the final four. The top five should be in the first 16. 

[customboss]

40 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I was against the chase for the championship. I’m obviously old school. I’m seeing the reality of it. The cream did raise to the top. Jimmy Johnson during his dominance with Chad his Crew Chief. Used the regular season as test sessions. Get a win lock in spend time trying new setups. The win and in creates excitement. I do agree with Keven Harvick the regular season champion should be in the final four. The top five should be in the first 16. 

Corporate ownership is killing the old school racing. Just like my beloved USAC is gone from Sprint Cars. I grew up with great sprint car roots in Indiana who worked their way to Indy and F1. Doing that now is nearly impossible unless your daddy is Elon. 

[KARNUT]

I had to let the last race digest awhile. I called it the lawsuit yellow. What a letdown. I have nothing against Kyle but really there wasn’t any debris. Now do I think there should be a lawsuit? No. It’s Nascar's deal. Giving franchises was a gift. To add value to the teams. They didn’t have to do it. In comes MJ and he gets pissy. Wants to change things. I expect changes this year to the chase. I hope.

Edited November 19, 2025 by KARNUT

[customboss]

From THE LEVER 

 

 A photo finish. Following failed settlement negotiations, trial proceedings began this week in an antitrust lawsuitagainst NASCAR, filed by the competitive racing team co-owned by basketball legend Michael Jordan. 23XI Racing, Jordan’s five-year-old NASCAR team, and another team, Front Row Motorsports, sued NASCAR for allegedly running an illegal monopoly and abusing its market power to block competition in the racing market. According to their suit, NASCAR barred teams from using its vehicles in other races, bought up racetracks and prevented other racing series from using them, and even acquired a rival series to snuff out competition. 

• While some of its chartered teams struggled to make a profit last year, NASCAR reported revenues of $1.7 billion, hundreds of millions of dollars of which went to “member distributions” (i.e., direct payouts) to NASCAR’s sole owner, the billionaire France family.
   

[KARNUT]

12 minutes ago, customboss said:

 

From THE LEVER 

 

 A photo finish. Following failed settlement negotiations, trial proceedings began this week in an antitrust lawsuitagainst NASCAR, filed by the competitive racing team co-owned by basketball legend Michael Jordan. 23XI Racing, Jordan’s five-year-old NASCAR team, and another team, Front Row Motorsports, sued NASCAR for allegedly running an illegal monopoly and abusing its market power to block competition in the racing market. According to their suit, NASCAR barred teams from using its vehicles in other races, bought up racetracks and prevented other racing series from using them, and even acquired a rival series to snuff out competition. 

• While some of its chartered teams struggled to make a profit last year, NASCAR reported revenues of $1.7 billion, hundreds of millions of dollars of which went to “member distributions” (i.e., direct payouts) to NASCAR’s sole owner, the billionaire France family.
   

On YouTube nightly Dirty Mo Media. The TearDown has a summary of the daily trial events. It’s free and informative. Day one was last night.

[customboss]

2 hours ago, KARNUT said:

On YouTube nightly Dirty Mo Media. The TearDown has a summary of the daily trial events. It’s free and informative. Day one was last night.

Hoping it breaks up the monopoly that drivers tried to do in the 60’s. It’s killing the sport. 

[KARNUT]

11 minutes ago, customboss said:

Hoping it breaks up the monopoly that drivers tried to do in the 60’s. It’s killing the sport. 

I’ve believed the opposite. I’m a purest. NASCAR gave them the charter system originally. The teams over the years made racing costly. NASCAR is trying to reduce costs with group buying and tightening templates. Everyone gets the same access for parity. The cost are payroll and talent. Much like any sport insane payroll. You add MJ who doesn’t like being told anything he doesn’t like and here we are. The sport is being hampered by things like the chase and phantom yellows for excitement. The France family started NASCAR. They cultivated the sport it’s their deal. If MJ was a real gambler he start his own deal like Dale Jr and Keven Harvick. It would be a travesty if they messed with NASCAR. If you don’t like the rules go somewhere else. 

[customboss]

28 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I’ve believed the opposite. I’m a purest. NASCAR gave them the charter system originally. The teams over the years made racing costly. NASCAR is trying to reduce costs with group buying and tightening templates. Everyone gets the same access for parity. The cost are payroll and talent. Much like any sport insane payroll. You add MJ who doesn’t like being told anything he doesn’t like and here we are. The sport is being hampered by things like the chase and phantom yellows for excitement. The France family started NASCAR. They cultivated the sport it’s their deal. If MJ was a real gambler he start his own deal like Dale Jr and Keven Harvick. It would be a travesty if they messed with NASCAR. If you don’t like the rules go somewhere else. 

It’s a monopoly that’s keeping start ups out of racing. It blocks tracks it blocks anyone that doesn’t have lots of $$. 

[KARNUT]

18 minutes ago, customboss said:

It’s a monopoly that’s keeping start ups out of racing. It blocks tracks it blocks anyone that doesn’t have lots of $$. 

That is a problem. Cars have changed. Tracks have changed too. A few years down the road possibly a start up could rent or buy this generation of car. They’re new now. A few years maybe. You can’t buy a Camaro, Camry or mustang strip and drive anymore. It’s more safety than anything else. That’s some of the cost too. Unintended consequences of safety.

[customboss]

9 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

That is a problem. Cars have changed. Tracks have changed too. A few years down the road possibly a start up could rent or buy this generation of car. They’re new now. A few years maybe. You can’t buy a Camaro, Camry or mustang strip and drive anymore. It’s more safety than anything else. That’s some of the cost too. Unintended consequences of safety.

Thats a comment that a non race car owner, driver, mechanic would think. Sorry but you are talking out your tail pipe.  

[KARNUT]

2 minutes ago, customboss said:

Thats a comment that a non race car owner, driver, mechanic would think. Sorry but you are talking out your tail pipe.  

You really don’t know me. But of course you have a superiority complex. My opinion is based on all the NASCAR programs I watched. And shows on Dirty Mo, Kenny Wallace, Denny Hamlin and Greg Biffle to name just a few. I’ve done the Richard Petty driving experience. And spent lots of time building street, strip cars for drag racing. As the saying goes if you want a small fortune. Start with a large one and go racing.  I preferred amateur drag racing. Shove that up your tail pipe.

[customboss]

6 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

My opinion is based on all the NASCAR programs I watched.

There ya go. 

[garagerog]

4 hours ago, customboss said:

Hoping it breaks up the monopoly that drivers tried to do in the 60’s. It’s killing the sport. 

If you're talking about what happened before the first Talladega race when the drivers tried to form a union, they weren't interested in monopoly busting, it was about safety as the regular NASCAR drivers feared that the tires then wouldn't stand up to the high potential speeds at that track. Big Bill brought off the race and broke the union by using drivers and cars from a lesser series but not before being decked by LeeRoy Yarbrough.