Max Trailering spring part numbers help

[topgear1224]

Adding Bilstein 5100 shocks to the rear helps a ton, my rear end doesn't bottom out on the bumpstop anymore when I go over highway whoops/dips.

Like literally going airborne. 6-8 inches off the ground. What happens is the front hits the bump stops, the front max droops right as the rear hits the bump and subsequent bump stops. Then the ass goes airborne.

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[pewterliftedz]

10 minutes ago, topgear1224 said:

My truck is only rated for 900lbs of tongue weight. 1500 payload between the front and rear axles.


Grab either hellwig helper springs 61912
timbren springs GMRTT15S or both. They are quality products.

They will get you were you are trying to be.

Max tow isn't really that much better or stiffer. It's still gonna "sag" with 500lbs.

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Can you post a picture of your Trailering information sticker?  My max payload is 1760 lbs and max tongue weight 930 lbs. 

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[AlaskaErik]

6 hours ago, topgear1224 said:

My truck is only rated for 900lbs of tongue weight. 1500 payload between the front and rear axles.


Grab either hellwig helper springs 61912
timbren springs GMRTT15S or both. They are quality products.

They will get you were you are trying to be.

Max tow isn't really that much better or stiffer. It's still gonna "sag" with 500lbs.

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Payload capacity is not determined by axle capacity.  Payload capacity is GVWR minus curb weight.  The yellow sticker on the B pillar shows the payload capacity from the factory.  Every time you add any accessories or options, that counts against the factory payload capacity.  My 2016 Silverado came with a 1572 lb payload capacity.  My current payload capacity is 1310 lbs.  The 262 lb difference is the weight of my canopy, air bags, side steps and bed floor mat.  

[topgear1224]

Payload capacity is not determined by axle capacity.  Payload capacity is GVWR minus curb weight.  The yellow sticker on the B pillar shows the payload capacity from the factory.  Every time you add any accessories or options, that counts against the factory payload capacity.  My 2016 Silverado came with a 1572 lb payload capacity.  My current payload capacity is 1310 lbs.  The 262 lb difference is the weight of my canopy, air bags, side steps and bed floor mat.  

I thought that was implied, that's why I was saying he was gonna sag even with max tow springs. They only add 150-400lbs payload capacity. I was just saying with my maximum recommended tongue weight of 900 pounds that's what my truck looks like.


technically payload is per axle however it cannot exceed GVWR when combined. [emoji4]

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[topgear1224]

Can you post a picture of your Trailering information sticker?  My max payload is 1760 lbs and max tongue weight 930 lbs. 

3.0 crew cab standard bed X31 Elevation

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[pewterliftedz]

6 minutes ago, topgear1224 said:

3.0 crew cab standard bed X31 Elevation

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Thanks!  But I for some reason thought your truck was a NHT.

[pewterliftedz]

11 hours ago, OnTheReel said:

84469778 are the leaf springs on my 19 NHT. They changed the springs for 2020 so you might want to crawl under a ‘20 NHT and get the number off those instead.
 

My truck still squats a bit anyway, so perhaps airbags would be a better option.

Could you post a picture of your trailering information sticker?  I'd like to see what the payload/gvwr is on a NHT.

[topgear1224]

Could you post a picture of your trailering information sticker?  I'd like to see what the payload/gvwr is on a NHT.

GVWR will be 7,300. Payload will depend on options.

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[OnTheReel]

10 hours ago, pewterliftedz said:

Could you post a picture of your trailering information sticker?  I'd like to see what the payload/gvwr is on a NHT.

 

[Phatty]

11 hours ago, topgear1224 said:

3.0 crew cab standard bed X31 Elevation

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This is my exact truck too.  I hooked up my 6500lbs RV with 600lbs tongue weight and got 3.75" sag even with distribution hitch.  That's ridiculous.
I put the firestone airbags on the next day (airlifts were all backordered) and she sits level now.  Not sure why people are so against the airbags, the have bounce joist in them and solve the level problem.  They dont increase payload or anything and the smooth out the ride when hooked to a trailer or with heavier payloads.  

[topgear1224]

This is my exact truck too.  I hooked up my 6500lbs RV with 600lbs tongue weight and got 3.75" sag even with distribution hitch.  That's ridiculous.
I put the firestone airbags on the next day (airlifts were all backordered) and she sits level now.  Not sure why people are so against the airbags, the have bounce joist in them and solve the level problem.  They dont increase payload or anything and the smooth out the ride when hooked to a trailer or with heavier payloads.  

Did you scale it? You could have tightened up the arms or dropped the hitch more.

on the new trucks are actually designed to use the overload in daily driving so they have tuned the overload to be softer than overloads of the past and that's why they squat so much.

I was only maybe an inch to 1 1/4 off the bump stop and although I wouldn't necessarily tell somebody to tow cross-country like that it was actually fine.


I will be adding airbags with Daystar cradles on a king edition superlift 3in


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[Phatty]

19 minutes ago, topgear1224 said:

Did you scale it? You could have tightened up the arms or dropped the hitch more.

on the new trucks are actually designed to use the overload in daily driving so they have tuned the overload to be softer than overloads of the past and that's why they squat so much.

I was only maybe an inch to 1 1/4 off the bump stop and although I wouldn't necessarily tell somebody to tow cross-country like that it was actually fine.


I will be adding airbags with Daystar cradles on a king edition superlift 3in


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No, I didnt scale it.  I did have the hitch lower initially for ride home from storage, I didnt have my measure or tools to adjust there, but it still sagged like a mofo.
Honestly after setting proper height and adding the bags, she tows so damn good its ridiculous for a 1/2 ton.  I've towed this trailer with 2015 Hemi, 2006 LBZ, 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins, and the 2020 3.0.  The smooth quiet easy shifts of the 3.0 is crazy nice and ride quality was top notch.  I miss the power of the HD diesels up the big mountain passes, but everything else the 3.0 wins easily.   1500 mile trip coming up starting friday! Ill snap some photos of the setup before I air up the bags so people can see.

Cant wait to see your truck with the lift!!

[aseibel]

22 hours ago, pewterliftedz said:

My truck was sitting perfectly level with just the bed loaded, which is probably 1.5" of squat without a trailer.

I read this sentence as you haven't actually measured your truck and compared to stock/unloaded, but rather you are just eyeballing it. Is this 1.5" measured at the hitch, at the wheelwell, or bumper? numbers would be different at each location. You have already added a block to get back to the rake you want, right?

 

I'm not sure if you have underestimated the weight in your bed or overestimated your sag measurement here. But I recommend you do a bit more thorough investigation and compare yours to a stock truck. I put 500 lbs in my truck all the time and it doesn't sag 1.5". Maybe if I loaded it on the tailgate only.

 

Anyway, I second the Hellwig helper springs. Easy solution to what I gather your problem is. I have them on my truck and I'm happy.

[pewterliftedz]

16 minutes ago, aseibel said:

I read this sentence as you haven't actually measured your truck and compared to stock/unloaded, but rather you are just eyeballing it. Is this 1.5" measured at the hitch, at the wheelwell, or bumper? numbers would be different at each location. You have already added a block to get back to the rake you want, right?

 

I'm not sure if you have underestimated the weight in your bed or overestimated your sag measurement here. But I recommend you do a bit more thorough investigation and compare yours to a stock truck. I put 500 lbs in my truck all the time and it doesn't sag 1.5". Maybe if I loaded it on the tailgate only.

 

Anyway, I second the Hellwig helper springs. Easy solution to what I gather your problem is. I have them on my truck and I'm happy.

Yes I have already added a 2" block to help with towing, but I was getting 1.5" at the wheelwell, I measured it against another stock silverado at the dealer.  You put 500 lbs in a 2019+ truck and it doesn't sag?  If your signature is correct, you have a 2015 truck, and I did mention that my previous 2017 did not sag like this truck.

[pewterliftedz]

2 hours ago, Phatty said:

This is my exact truck too.  I hooked up my 6500lbs RV with 600lbs tongue weight and got 3.75" sag even with distribution hitch.  That's ridiculous.
I put the firestone airbags on the next day (airlifts were all backordered) and she sits level now.  Not sure why people are so against the airbags, the have bounce joist in them and solve the level problem.  They dont increase payload or anything and the smooth out the ride when hooked to a trailer or with heavier payloads.  

I just don't want anything that's serviceable on my truck, which is why I was looking for a beefier spring pack to swap in.  But I may just add some Sumosprings and be done with it, doesn't seem like the leaf springs will make much of a difference I guess.