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On 7/12/2020 at 12:49 AM, mike5511 said:

A catch can is considered a modification of the emissions system. Automatic voiding of your warranty the dealer tells me. Just a fyi.

That would be a direct violation of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act,   United States federal law (15 U.S.C. § 2301)

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hollywoodsle
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Your comment about hose clamps and deleting entire systems has absolutely nothing to do with what anyone is talking about.   I'm not getting sucked into one of your ridiculous wormholes, so

Cpl_Punishment
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I must have missed the part where someone confirmed that a thimble full of oil making its way through the intake manifold over the course of 5000 miles is actually a concern. 

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So less than a half a cup in a 4,000 miles.  ?

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5 hours ago, Coastie said:

That would be a direct violation of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act,   United States federal law (15 U.S.C. § 2301)

No sir, any emissions modifications is automatic warranty denial. Maybe not by your dealer, but if he plugs it in to the computer and it detects it, your done. GM will deny you.

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9 hours ago, mike5511 said:

No sir, any emissions modifications is automatic warranty denial. Maybe not by your dealer, but if he plugs it in to the computer and it detects it, your done. GM will deny you.

Until someone challenges them in court, they'd lose that one big time. It's a direct violation of federal law.

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29 minutes ago, Coastie said:

Until someone challenges them in court, they'd lose that one big time. It's a direct violation of federal law.

So is modifying your emissions systems.

 

This can void your warranty without creating any issues, I think that's what they're trying to say up there.

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2 hours ago, hollywoodsle said:

So is modifying your emissions systems.

 

By that reasoning the dealer could not replace a hose clamp with another style. A catch can does not alter the functionality of the system as it was intended. That is what's illegal. Reason on this. If it were illegal the manufactures of these devices would be in violation of that law. They might get away with it for awhile. Remember the diesel turner that got fined out of business for providing tunes for machines stripped of their pollution equipment? It isn't a violation and it won't void your warranty unless you fold to the dealers bluff. This is the law. 

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2 hours ago, hollywoodsle said:

So is modifying your emissions systems.

 

This can void your warranty without creating any issues, I think that's what they're trying to say up there.

That is correct. I will choose to believe the dealer, who is family and would gladly do whatever I asked him to do if we could get away with it, and GM over some dude on the internet. Just because some people believe something doesn't make it so. Go talk to your dealer......I wouldn't take me (some dude on the internet) as a final authority either. But I am sharing what the dealer I use says. Now your dealer may do whatever you want, like mine, but if he hooks your vehicle up to the computer and it records the emissions have been tampered with, your dealer isn't going to be paid for your warranty work. FWIW

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12 hours ago, mike5511 said:

No sir, any emissions modifications is automatic warranty denial. Maybe not by your dealer, but if he plugs it in to the computer and it detects it, your done. GM will deny you.

Which sensor is it that would tell GM there was a catch can on it? 

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8 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

By that reasoning the dealer could not replace a hose clamp with another style. A catch can does not alter the functionality of the system as it was intended. That is what's illegal. Reason on this. If it were illegal the manufactures of these devices would be in violation of that law. They might get away with it for awhile. Remember the diesel turner that got fined out of business for providing tunes for machines stripped of their pollution equipment? It isn't a violation and it won't void your warranty unless you fold to the dealers bluff. This is the law. 

I'm sorry, what?

 

My comment was relevant to the conversation at hand.

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7 minutes ago, hollywoodsle said:

I'm sorry, what?

 

My comment was relevant to the conversation at hand.

That's what I thought. Go on...........

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19 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

That's what I thought. Go on...........

Your comment about hose clamps and deleting entire systems has absolutely nothing to do with what anyone is talking about.

 

I'm not getting sucked into one of your ridiculous wormholes, so I'm not going to respond anymore.

 

I'm terribly sorry for actually contributing something to the actual topic.

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6 minutes ago, hollywoodsle said:

I'm not getting sucked into one of your ridiculous wormholes, so I'm not going to respond anymore.

 

i know how you feel....old guys get bored and like to tinker on the minds of the youth... 

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1 hour ago, hollywoodsle said:

Your comment about hose clamps and deleting entire systems has absolutely nothing to do with what anyone is talking about.

 

I'm not getting sucked into one of your ridiculous wormholes, so I'm not going to respond anymore.

 

I'm terribly sorry for actually contributing something to the actual topic.

So they (you) were not talking about catch cans voiding warranty and being an illegal emission modification?

? 

 

1 hour ago, flyingfool said:

i know how you feel....old guys get bored and like to tinker on the minds of the youth... 

And when did I spank you? 

What disagreement have we had? 

?

Or am I learning something new about you?

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On 7/12/2020 at 12:49 AM, mike5511 said:

A catch can is considered a modification of the emissions system. Automatic voiding of your warranty the dealer tells me. Just a fyi.

 

19 hours ago, Coastie said:

That would be a direct violation of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act,   United States federal law (15 U.S.C. § 2301)

 

14 hours ago, mike5511 said:

No sir, any emissions modifications is automatic warranty denial. Maybe not by your dealer, but if he plugs it in to the computer and it detects it, your done. GM will deny you.

 

5 hours ago, Coastie said:

Until someone challenges them in court, they'd lose that one big time. It's a direct violation of federal law.

 

4 hours ago, hollywoodsle said:

So is modifying your emissions systems.

 

This can void your warranty without creating any issues, I think that's what they're trying to say up there.

                                                    Your telling me this isn't you speaking?

19 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

So they (you) were not talking about catch cans voiding warranty and being an illegal emission modification?

? 

 

 

How's that again?

:crackup:

 

Embarrassed yet?

 

There are few things I hate more than someone telling me I'm not seeing what is right in front me.

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2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Which sensor is it that would tell GM there was a catch can on it? 

Hey I'm just sharing what my dealer told me. Take it for what it's worth, go ask your own dealer, whatever, I don't really care.

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11 minutes ago, mike5511 said:

Hey I'm just sharing what my dealer told me. Take it for what it's worth, go ask your own dealer, whatever, I don't really care.

Not a problem sir. I asked because you were misinformed.

 

Here's the fact. There is nothing in the system that can tell the presents of a catch can. Nothing. Only a visual inspection and it being there would tell the story. 

 

It's just a wide space in a line with a baffle. His computer would have the same chance of telling the tech how much change is in your wife's purse. I can't speak to the dealers motives but a good guess would be $$$$. It's what always motivates them. 

 

I've noticed recently that people don't argue the facts anymore. When they are disagreed with, they go straight to defamation, ridicule and discrediting the target. The boy tired to punk me like taking milk money from a 1st grader. NOT. It wasn't about you. If you felt it was, apologies.

 

20 hours ago, Coastie said:

That would be a direct violation of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act,   United States federal law (15 U.S.C. § 2301)

You are correct and the burden of proof is on the dealer. My comment about legalities was on point. Hollywood just doesn't like to be disagreed with it seems. 

 

Enjoy the remainder of the day. 

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