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Actually emission code is a Federal law, unfortunately modifying / removing / tampering with is an automatic warranty void. 

The MMWA doesn't protect a buyer from tampering with a Federally mandated system. 

 

The consumer would be responsible for all court fee's and then repairs (if any needed) to fix the system and or engine problems.  

 

Most dealer's are not going to challenge you on this or deny a claim due to having a CC.

 

 

 

If you really want to get technical DOT can pull you over and do an inspection while also ticketing you for tampering with the system and driving on federal road.

 

But it's your 45-60k truck, do what you want lol. 

 

 

[mention=161433]Grumpy Bear[/mention] you would be suprised what the T1 pcm's will tell a dealer now.  They knew I had changed out my tag lights to LED's due to the pcm throwing an internal code for a voltage fluctuation.

Luckily my dealer service manager is a friend and let me see what was going on.  It might not be throwing a CEL on the dash, but when GM plugs in, they know a lot more than people think. 

 

I work for Subaru of America,  and our engineer's have to go out to dealers all the time and plug into Wrx's  / Sti's to verify warranty claims on blown engines.

You get there and they look completely stock,  Some people even go as far as repainting the bolt heads to make it seem they have never been broken loose. As soon as the engineer's plug into the pcm, they can tell if the engine has had modifications, even as something as small as a high flow filter increases air flow against the maf which the pcm flags and saves for a period of time. 

 

Now are they gonna void a warranty for a K&N filter per say, no.     But when they install tuners to the pcm (marry them), it flags the point adjustments we're made to the software and that's how they determine who's fibbing lol. 

 

 

 

And for the record, I have a CC on my 2019 LT 5.3.    Sooooooooooooooo Bleh!

   

 

This is a topic where 2 things are inappropriately intertwined. If a dealership or manufacturer refuses to honor a warranty, and the customer sues, the customer is the plaintiff and the dealership or manufacturer are the defendants. The only way the customer is a defendant is if the federal government charges the customer with violation of a law, and the customer chooses to provide a defense against the charges in court.

 

Regarding who is responsible for paying the plaintiffs' fees, it's only applicable if the defendant lost the court case.

 

Should a customer/defendant against the federal government be able to compel the court that the modification actually improves/reduces emissions, then the modification is keeping the intent of the federal emissions regulations, and no violation has occurred. Burden of proof is on the customer/defendant.

 

Should the customer/plaintiff against the dealership or manufacturer be able to compel the court that the modification actually improves/reduces emissions, then the modification is keeping the intent of the federal emissions regulations, and no violation has occurred. Burden of proof is on the customer/plaintiff.

 

As for legal fees, etc, they're only applicable if 1) the plaintiff petitions the court for said fees, and the court agrees, and 2) defense lost the court case.

 

For the record, IANAL. I also don't pretend to be one on the internet. Although I attempt to provide factual information, a lawyer should be consulted. I'm not an expert, but I've done a bit of research over the years. For liability purposes, do not take what i say as the final word on the matter. Pick and choose your battles. Remember, the dealership, nor the car manufacturers, represent the federal government. A lawsuit regarding the warranty coverage of your vehicle wouldn't be against the federal government, but don't be surprised if the federal government was brought in by the dealership or manufacturer should you challenge the matter in court.

 

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hollywoodsle
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Your comment about hose clamps and deleting entire systems has absolutely nothing to do with what anyone is talking about.   I'm not getting sucked into one of your ridiculous wormholes, so

Cpl_Punishment
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I must have missed the part where someone confirmed that a thimble full of oil making its way through the intake manifold over the course of 5000 miles is actually a concern. 

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So less than a half a cup in a 4,000 miles.  ?

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Here I am, a GMC noob, searching for information on catch cans (how they work, what they do, etc) and the thread I find turns into a keyboard warrior battle that really has nothing to do with the OP. 

People who put aftermarket shiny bits on their trucks assume the risk of that shiny bit messing something up. Got it. Move on. Don't ruin what could have been an educational post by turning it into a pissing contest.

 

Thanks to the OP for the try. 

 

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Agree.

This is a personal decision. I have one and think it's a good idea. Especially with the GDI engines.

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I must have missed the part where someone confirmed that a thimble full of oil making its way through the intake manifold over the course of 5000 miles is actually a concern. 

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I must have missed the part where someone confirmed that a thimble full of oil making its way through the intake manifold over the course of 5000 miles is actually a concern. 

Im seeing quite a bit more then a thimble in the catch can over 4-5000 miles. Id rather it in there then the IM but to each their own
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Im seeing quite a bit more then a thimble in the catch can over 4-5000 miles. Id rather it in there then the IM but to each their own

Like I said, I must have missed your post with your experience. Certainly I would be concerned if there was a "significant" amount of oil in the can at every check.

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Like I said, I must have missed your post with your experience. Certainly I would be concerned if there was a "significant" amount of oil in the can at every check.

I dont generally post about things that are common knowledge, at least to me. I work on LT engines everyday and have since late 13’. This is not isolated, just how the pcv system works and what GM considers normal vs what most would like to see. As I said, do it or don’t but the experience is there on this end with extensive stock and heavily modified LT based engines on top of LS.
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Total Seal, Grant, TRW, Mahle, C&A would all disagree with GM on what 'normal' oil usage volume is.

So would any builder proud of his work.

GM defines normal as the level of usage they will warranty.

Has nothing to do with the physics of it. 

In 1970 they called a quart in 500 normal for the 454. 

Hey, just pour it on the ground. 

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On 8/26/2020 at 8:56 AM, Daryl Casey said:

Here I am, a GMC noob, searching for information on catch cans (how they work, what they do, etc) and the thread I find turns into a keyboard warrior battle that really has nothing to do with the OP. 

People who put aftermarket shiny bits on their trucks assume the risk of that shiny bit messing something up. Got it. Move on. Don't ruin what could have been an educational post by turning it into a pissing contest.

 

Thanks to the OP for the try. 

 

Thanks. I tried to reel it back in and keep it informative, but no luck. 

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if you have a new 6.6 gas you will need a can with double hookup or two separate cans for two seperate pvc valves one on each valve cover also if you are in california you will need a carb sticker.

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