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VMax2007 Senior Enthusiast

VMax2007

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I havent been around for months.Any way to eliminate it yet? 07nbs 5.3. Thanks

 

 

Yep, get a tune.

 

I recommend...

 

www.nelsonperformance.com

 

www.gowheatley.com

 

www.blackbearperformance.com

 

http://westers_garage.eidnet.org/index2.htm

 

I have a Nelson tune and Allen removed 100% of my TM and all of the other Abuse Mode Nannies too.

 

Do a search and you will find hours and hours of reading, right here on GM-trucks.com

sonjaab Senior Enthusiast

sonjaab

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The 5.3 and 4.8s have little if NONE in the way of Torque Mgmt !

The GM TM program is a major concern with the 6.0 and 8.1s.........

 

For you its a non issue ! There is a full explanation of GMs TM around

here somewhere.

slomo007 Enthusiast

slomo007

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The 5.3 and 4.8s have little if NONE in the way of Torque Mgmt !

The GM TM program is a major concern with the 6.0 and 8.1s.........

 

For you its a non issue ! There is a full explanation of GMs TM around

here somewhere.

 

Have you ever driven a 5.3? Trying smashing the pedal and waiting a few seconds before going....I was under the impression that was TM....is it not? If not, what is it?

 

I actually think it's dangerous and hope GM gets sued someday for it. Just the other day I was trying to merge on the freeway and was going about 50 needing to go 70, smashed to get in front of a fast moving car and it forced the other driver to slow down. I felt bad, but what could I do? I know for sure the engine is capable of so much more, it doesn't even rev up like it should in those cases, it just sounds bogged down.

Controller Enthusiast

Controller

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The 5.3 and 4.8s have little if NONE in the way of Torque Mgmt !

The GM TM program is a major concern with the 6.0 and 8.1s.........

 

For you its a non issue ! There is a full explanation of GMs TM around

here somewhere.

 

Have you ever driven a 5.3? Trying smashing the pedal and waiting a few seconds before going....I was under the impression that was TM....is it not? If not, what is it?

 

I actually think it's dangerous and hope GM gets sued someday for it. Just the other day I was trying to merge on the freeway and was going about 50 needing to go 70, smashed to get in front of a fast moving car and it forced the other driver to slow down. I felt bad, but what could I do? I know for sure the engine is capable of so much more, it doesn't even rev up like it should in those cases, it just sounds bogged down.

 

 

 

 

Yep, I have had the same thing happen with mine, if I keep my truck I thinkl I will have to get a tune because that hesitation is very annoying.

dlstewart01 Senior Enthusiast

dlstewart01

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The 5.3 and 4.8s have little if NONE in the way of Torque Mgmt !

The GM TM program is a major concern with the 6.0 and 8.1s.........

 

For you its a non issue ! There is a full explanation of GMs TM around

here somewhere.

 

If you go to fullsizechevy.com there is a sticky with a graft showing just what torque management does an when it does it on a 5.3.

 

Don

sonjaab Senior Enthusiast

sonjaab

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YES and as a matter of FACT my bud has a 07 NBS 1500 x-cab 4x4 5.3

3:73s !!!!!! Both have G-80s

 

SO I get to pound it and MY 6.0 back to back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

His 5.3 will smoke the tires down the block ! My 6.0 is a pig off the line.

He is also car nut and squirrel so we have run both of them side by side

off a stop light or from a roll on the highway ! His 5.3 will smoke my 6.0

like nothing!

 

At WOT you can feel the timing being held back on the 6.0 where with the

5.3 it is a non issue.

 

This was proven to me time and time again as we also had 01s and 04s

1500 and 2500s. The 5.3 would smoke the 6.0 everytime in a drag race

or passing by the gas station!!!!!!!!

 

The only time the 6.0 vs. 5.3 kicks ass is showtime when its time to yank the

camper or pull the big boat outta the drink at the loading ramp.................

And I won't even mention when it comes time and the "grunt" is needed to

snowplow !!!!!!!!!!!

The 5.3 can't hold a candle to the 6.0 when it comes to work !!!!!!!!

 

"Ask the man who owns one or both!"

 

Anyhoo........Heres the detailed link to torque management and how it works:

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/genera...-how-works.html

VMax2007 Senior Enthusiast

VMax2007

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The 5.3 and 4.8s have little if NONE in the way of Torque Mgmt !

The GM TM program is a major concern with the 6.0 and 8.1s.........

 

For you its a non issue ! There is a full explanation of GMs TM around

here somewhere.

 

Can't speak for the 4.8 but I KNOW there is TONS of TM and Abuse Mode Nannies in the 5.3. maybe not as much as the 6.0, but alot nonetheless.

slomo007 Enthusiast

slomo007

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YES and as a matter of FACT my bud has a 07 NBS 1500 x-cab 4x4 5.3

3:73s !!!!!! Both have G-80s

 

SO I get to pound it and MY 6.0 back to back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

His 5.3 will smoke the tires down the block ! My 6.0 is a pig off the line.

He is also car nut and squirrel so we have run both of them side by side

off a stop light or from a roll on the highway ! His 5.3 will smoke my 6.0

like nothing!

 

At WOT you can feel the timing being held back on the 6.0 where with the

5.3 it is a non issue.

 

This was proven to me time and time again as we also had 01s and 04s

1500 and 2500s. The 5.3 would smoke the 6.0 everytime in a drag race

or passing by the gas station!!!!!!!!

 

The only time the 6.0 vs. 5.3 kicks ass is showtime when its time to yank the

camper or pull the big boat outta the drink at the loading ramp.................

And I won't even mention when it comes time and the "grunt" is needed to

snowplow !!!!!!!!!!!

The 5.3 can't hold a candle to the 6.0 when it comes to work !!!!!!!!

 

"Ask the man who owns one or both!"

 

Anyhoo........Heres the detailed link to torque management and how it works:

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/genera...-how-works.html

 

My 2007 5.3 w/ g80 will not even get close to burning the tires from a dead stop. In fact I don't think I've ever heard them chirp, unless I'm going around a corner. Mine's a crew cab though, is his a RCSB? If his is a crew cab also, I'd venture to guess that he's got a tune of some sort and he's yanking your chain.

 

You're acting a little defensive by the way, nobody said the 5.3 is somehow better or faster than the 6.0. Of course all things being equal (both tuned) the 6.0 would eat the 5.3's lunch. All I'm saying is that the 5.3 definitely does have TM which is especially noticeable with the WOT delay.

sonjaab Senior Enthusiast

sonjaab

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As far as some of you posting about a "delay" happening when you apply

wide open throttle it has nothing to do with the TM program !

It doesn't work like that anyhoo so your truck must have other mechanical

issues...........................

 

Sheesh.......I think some of you guys really own toyoyos!

 

All I can say is drive a 6.0 and 5.3 back to back and see for yourself !

slimjim2525 Senior Enthusiast

slimjim2525

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As far as some of you posting about a "delay" happening when you apply

wide open throttle it has nothing to do with the TM program !

It doesn't work like that anyhoo so your truck must have other mechanical

issues...........................

 

Sheesh.......I think some of you guys really own toyoyos!

 

All I can say is drive a 6.0 and 5.3 back to back and see for yourself !

I'm nt sure what you're describing then, but my truck efinately has a dely. It will not roast the tires at all. My 04 5.3l would roast the tires right off the truck, but my 07, not even close. They have to be torqe managed. I seriously doubt my 5.3 would smoke a similar truck with a 6.0l.

gvbhunt Enthusiast

gvbhunt

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On the 6.0L, it is not Torque Mangement that is causing it to be a "Pig" off of the line, it is called Power Enrich, and the huge delay that GM Programmed into it on that engine. Once you stomp the pedal to the floor, count to 4. That is how long it takes for the timer to run out, but unfortunately by that time you are just about redline in 1st gear.

VMax2007 Senior Enthusiast

VMax2007

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The guy who did my CASE learn after my Nelson tune is a local guy I met up with from PT.net. He has HP Tuners and a GMC Sierra (not sure what year, but probably a 2004 or newer GMT800) with the 5.3 and he told me there is TONS of TM in the 5.3's. Both the GMT800's and the GMT900's. He does his own tuning as well as other people's tuning and has tuned NBS 5.3's and 6.0's.

 

I have spoken with several tuners (Charlie Wheatley, Justin and Allen Nelson) and they have all confirmed this. Allen even told me my old 2000 GMC with drive-by-cable had tons of TM in it. Although my 2000 did not have all of the other Nannies such as PE Delay and Abuse Mode. It would smoke the tires off the line too.

 

Technically speaking, TM is in the TCM and affects timing at the shift points. But TM has recently been the common term to also include all of the other Nannies GM uses. Such as the ECM pulling timing and cutting off fuel when accelerating (WOT PE Delay is only part of it) and during other "abusive" manuevers. Unfortunately, sometimes those "abusive" manuevers are not meant for abusing the vehicle, sometimes they are needed for passing, merging, etc. Basically, these Nannies drastically affect the "driveability" of the truck in general.

 

ALL modern vehicles (cars and trucks of every brand) use TM to some extent, but GM overuses the $hit out of it and also adds in all of the other Nannies to boot.

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