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dirtfan21 Senior Enthusiast

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I have been following the progress/issues with the new Ecoboost trucks. Seems they are having WOT issues when the truck downshifts and tac's out, throwing the truck into limp mode. They have many documented injector issues, "ticking" complaints, and "turbo whine". Now, it is the first year of a new engine line up and I suppose some bugs always surface. Here is some educational reading: F150 Forum Thread

 

I would be livid if I had a brand new truck doing whats going on with that ecoboost. I feel bad for them.

 

 

 

Absolutely, I feel extremely bad too. :)

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csheatz Senior Enthusiast

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I have been trying to keep up with this tread and I get about as far as a pissing match over the 0-60 times of a 6.2.

 

Someone posted that the EB Ford can tow 11,000lbs, ok I really dont see this working out so well. I know I will get a ton of slack for this but I have towed close to 12k with my truck, and maybe even a little more (not down public roads) and have pulled stuck vehicles that I am thinking took about the same amount of force or more to move as a 11k trailer. The issue with a turbo v6 that comes to my mind is at low RPM how much power is this thing really making? Most of the hard work on my truck is done under 3000rpm's. I.E. pulling boats out of the water, pulling a load of firewood up a hill and out of the woods. I would like to know how the turbo does this stuff compared to my 5.3. As for highway mpg's, if we worried about those we would not buy a 6.2.

 

Im not standing up for Ford, but I want to see how it really works, not a 2 year dyno run and a trip coast to coast. How much of a difference does it make when the turbo is making min boost and your down 2 cyl?

 

Does GM have an answer for this? NO! Do they need an answer to this? Maybe this is what we should be talking about. Also keep in mind this may be ford searching for MPG hype, Ford is well known for making trucks that love to drink!

 

 

Im just saying

ChevyTech77 Senior Enthusiast

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The issue with a turbo v6 that comes to my mind is at low RPM how much power is this thing really making?

 

Answer : A LOT. Just because it's a turbo doesn't mean that it can't be made to make low end torque.

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csheatz Senior Enthusiast

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The issue with a turbo v6 that comes to my mind is at low RPM how much power is this thing really making?

 

Answer : A LOT. Just because it's a turbo doesn't mean that it can't be made to make low end torque.

 

 

 

Hey, just noticed you have a ecsb 6.2, and in MI, I have been watching dealer inventory for some time waiting for one to come to my area but with no luck. The boss (wife) said if I want a new one I have to stop investing time and money into this one... Looked for 2 weeks for a crew or extended with the 6.2 in a few colors of choice. No luck so back to playing with mine.

ChevyTech77 Senior Enthusiast

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Hey, just noticed you have a ecsb 6.2, and in MI, I have been watching dealer inventory for some time waiting for one to come to my area but with no luck. The boss (wife) said if I want a new one I have to stop investing time and money into this one... Looked for 2 weeks for a crew or extended with the 6.2 in a few colors of choice. No luck so back to playing with mine.

 

We couldn't locate one within a 1000 mile radius when I ordered mine in April.

jro909 Senior Enthusiast

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just thought i'd throw my two cents in...take it or bash it, your choice...but who the **** cares about the eco boost...i could careless if GM returns fire, cool ford did something new, whatever if it goes on to be a legend or an epic faill i'm going to continue to buy my naturally aspirated vortec v8s...more power to ford for being an american company trying something new and if GM dosen't respond cool, life goes on..in the end american companys should be helping each other not trying to one up each other...

ChevyTech77 Senior Enthusiast

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..in the end american companys should be helping each other not trying to one up each other...

And in the end you'd still be driving a diesel Luv truck if that were the case. Competition brings better products for everyone.

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The issue with a turbo v6 that comes to my mind is at low RPM how much power is this thing really making?

 

Answer : A LOT. Just because it's a turbo doesn't mean that it can't be made to make low end torque.

 

 

 

The EB 3.5L makes more torque at 1700rpm than the 5.3L makes anywhere with its peak of 420lb-ft at 2500rpm.

 

Gasoline direct injection turbocharged engines are IMO better than diesel direct injection turbocharged engines in terms of power output. Diesel powerband is flat from 1500-2800rpm or so. Gasoline equivalents are 1700-5000rpm, offering more range for that power, meaning almost twice the horsepower.

 

The long term reliability is still a valid concern, and many truck people like the V8 exhaust note. However, Ford has a 40% take rate on it, so the competition should be watching very closely.

wavery Enthusiast

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The issue with a turbo v6 that comes to my mind is at low RPM how much power is this thing really making?

 

Answer : A LOT. Just because it's a turbo doesn't mean that it can't be made to make low end torque.

 

 

 

The EB 3.5L makes more torque at 1700rpm than the 5.3L makes anywhere with its peak of 420lb-ft at 2500rpm.

 

Gasoline direct injection turbocharged engines are IMO better than diesel direct injection turbocharged engines in terms of power output. Diesel powerband is flat from 1500-2800rpm or so. Gasoline equivalents are 1700-5000rpm, offering more range for that power, meaning almost twice the horsepower.

 

The long term reliability is still a valid concern, and many truck people like the V8 exhaust note. However, Ford has a 40% take rate on it, so the competition should be watching very closely.

 

You are absolutely right. It's a tough market place but that's what makes products great over time.

 

I'm just glad to be out from under a carburated vehicle.I had a fuel injected '63 Corvette in the late 60's. I knew then that all cars would be fuel injected at some point. Maybe if they keep working on these turbos, they will have a good design within the next 20 years...... :lol:

dirtfan21 Senior Enthusiast

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just thought i'd throw my two cents in...take it or bash it, your choice...but who the **** cares about the eco boost...i could careless if GM returns fire, cool ford did something new, whatever if it goes on to be a legend or an epic faill i'm going to continue to buy my naturally aspirated vortec v8s...more power to ford for being an american company trying something new and if GM dosen't respond cool, life goes on..in the end american companys should be helping each other not trying to one up each other...

 

 

Use sentence format and correct grammar much? Good lord that was something to read... :lol:

stlavsa Senior Enthusiast

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just thought i'd throw my two cents in...take it or bash it, your choice...but who the **** cares about the eco boost...i could careless if GM returns fire, cool ford did something new, whatever if it goes on to be a legend or an epic faill i'm going to continue to buy my naturally aspirated vortec v8s...more power to ford for being an american company trying something new and if GM dosen't respond cool, life goes on..in the end american companys should be helping each other not trying to one up each other...

 

Who the **** cares about the ecoboost??? really?? Dude the power and potential of the turbo is where its at! and ecoboost + tune makes 6.2L and duramax look slow. I WANT THAT POTENTIAL IN A GM TRUCK!

Matt_ Senior Enthusiast

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..in the end american companys should be helping each other not trying to one up each other...

 

nooooooooooooooooo... they SHOULD be trying to "one up" each other; that's what gets us new & improved products!

 

competition = GOOD (for us, consumers)

snarkee Senior Enthusiast

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My 2011 ecoboost fx4 crew with 3.73 gears and my friends 2011 sierra crew 5.3 3.42gears all terrain both travelling down to charlotte...his truck averaged 19.2 mpg where my eco was 18.6mpg. Speeds varied from 65mph to 75mph

 

Just proof to show that once the speed/rpms are up in an ecoboost, the gas mileage drops, especially climbing the mountains when boost is needed to power that little v6

jro909 Senior Enthusiast

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i agree competition forces positive growth...but some of the bits and pieces ive read on here have been more aimed at bashing the eco-boost...my point was that people should be happy that ford is trying something new, but in the end i don't care if GM fires back because i'm happy with my non turbo v8

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