GMC compared to Toyota

[LongrangeLauber]

Yes they test them a bunch, but they are not being mass produced at that point

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No clue on what you're trying to tell me here?

Sorry quoted the wrong post

 

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[mdaniel]

I am actively cross shopping the 14 Tundra with the 14 Silverado or Sierra. My past experiences with Toyota have been great. One of the nicest vehicles I ever owner was an 05 4Runner - built rock solid. I think GM did a good job with the 14, but am pissed that they force you to buy a high trim just to get the 6.2 engine. I would like to be able to get a lower trim with the 6.2 as an option. I am in no rush to buy, so we will see what the market brings for updates from other manufacturers. I think once the new F150 comes out GM will be wheeling and dealing on their products. Rumor has it that Toyota will be changing the drive train and tweaking the engine for next model year Tundra, but that has not been confirmed. Right now both Toyota and GM 1/2 tons are pretty equal. May just come down to the best deal I can get. I would not complain about owning either one

[RyanbabZ71]

Wait until 2015 model. 1st yr 6.2 available in 2009 was in LTZmodel only. Next yr it was offered in LT version.

 

 

Ryan

[Mikeoxbig]

I was told by my dealership that the 6.2 will not even be available on any half ton GM truck after this year.

[RyanbabZ71]

I was told by my dealership that the 6.2 will not even be available on any half ton GM truck after this year.

 

This is 100% false.

 

 

Ryan

[LongrangeLauber]

Yeah there's no way they would take that away. For as long as its been out, it seems to be a solid motor and the only competition GM has to the eco boost

 

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[Ron.s]

I moved from a Tundra Limited to a GMC truck. The Tundra has a lot of good points and is comfortable, quality interior. I had several issues with mine- most were minor except for random clunks (torque converter) and erratic shifts/downshifts at times. Biggest issue is the very high gears and lack of usable torque resulting in poor economy and poor performance when towing. The torque curve on the Tundra is narrow vs new GM has a broad curve. Tundra driving as a car = good. Using as a truck = bad. Truck didn't have enough torque to pull 5th or 6th gear towing a 5,000+lb travel trailer or boat on any incline. Worked a little better towing a 3,000 lb trailer but frustrating to drive. Peak torque at 3,600 RPM but almost impossible to tow at under 4,000-4500 and fuel map poor at higher R's...resulting economy 7-9, maybe 10 so always looking for a gas station. Drove the Alcan Highway with 10 gallons spare gas-a nightmare stopping for gas often at 150-200 miles because I didn't have enough fuel to make it another 75-100 miles to the next town. Buddy with an older Chev did better with less engine although I could drive by him on any hill. I have a friend that owns a Toyota Dealership (sells to me at a very good price) but he had no hard feelings when I told him I didn't want another Tundra. He had Toyota fly tech people out to drive my truck 2 years ago in response to a 5 page document I sent outlining towing issues from my Alaska trip. They found my truck to be in good working order, ha ha. (It's obvious Tundra suffers a lot in the hills from testing in Texas.) I did test drive the 14 Tundra and found no improvement in the drive train. Toyota makes very few changes to vehicle drive trains from year to year while the domestics seem to make more running changes. The 2007 to 2014 Tundra engine/drive train is mostly unchanged including gear splits and software for the engine/transmission. The 2014 Tundra has slipped further behind GM, IMO.

[Silverado Steve]

I moved from a Tundra Limited to a GMC truck. The Tundra has a lot of good points and is comfortable, quality interior. I had several issues with mine- most were minor except for random clunks (torque converter) and erratic shifts/downshifts at times. Biggest issue is the very high gears and lack of usable torque resulting in poor economy and poor performance when towing. The torque curve on the Tundra is narrow vs new GM has a broad curve. Tundra driving as a car = good. Using as a truck = bad. Truck didn't have enough torque to pull 5th or 6th gear towing a 5,000+lb travel trailer or boat on any incline. Worked a little better towing a 3,000 lb trailer but frustrating to drive. Peak torque at 3,600 RPM but almost impossible to tow at under 4,000-4500 and fuel map poor at higher R's...resulting economy 7-9, maybe 10 so always looking for a gas station. Drove the Alcan Highway with 10 gallons spare gas-a nightmare stopping for gas often at 150-200 miles because I didn't have enough fuel to make it another 75-100 miles to the next town. Buddy with an older Chev did better with less engine although I could drive by him on any hill. I have a friend that owns a Toyota Dealership (sells to me at a very good price) but he had no hard feelings when I told him I didn't want another Tundra. He had Toyota fly tech people out to drive my truck 2 years ago in response to a 5 page document I sent outlining towing issues from my Alaska trip. They found my truck to be in good working order, ha ha. (It's obvious Tundra suffers a lot in the hills from testing in Texas.) I did test drive the 14 Tundra and found no improvement in the drive train. Toyota makes very few changes to vehicle drive trains from year to year while the domestics seem to make more running changes. The 2007 to 2014 Tundra engine/drive train is mostly unchanged including gear splits and software for the engine/transmission. The 2014 Tundra has slipped further behind GM, IMO.

Interesting; especially since the 5.7 I force has more hp, torque and a 3.73 gear ratio.

[LongrangeLauber]

I moved from a Tundra Limited to a GMC truck. The Tundra has a lot of good points and is comfortable, quality interior. I had several issues with mine- most were minor except for random clunks (torque converter) and erratic shifts/downshifts at times. Biggest issue is the very high gears and lack of usable torque resulting in poor economy and poor performance when towing. The torque curve on the Tundra is narrow vs new GM has a broad curve. Tundra driving as a car = good. Using as a truck = bad. Truck didn't have enough torque to pull 5th or 6th gear towing a 5,000+lb travel trailer or boat on any incline. Worked a little better towing a 3,000 lb trailer but frustrating to drive. Peak torque at 3,600 RPM but almost impossible to tow at under 4,000-4500 and fuel map poor at higher R's...resulting economy 7-9, maybe 10 so always looking for a gas station. Drove the Alcan Highway with 10 gallons spare gas-a nightmare stopping for gas often at 150-200 miles because I didn't have enough fuel to make it another 75-100 miles to the next town. Buddy with an older Chev did better with less engine although I could drive by him on any hill. I have a friend that owns a Toyota Dealership (sells to me at a very good price) but he had no hard feelings when I told him I didn't want another Tundra. He had Toyota fly tech people out to drive my truck 2 years ago in response to a 5 page document I sent outlining towing issues from my Alaska trip. They found my truck to be in good working order, ha ha. (It's obvious Tundra suffers a lot in the hills from testing in Texas.) I did test drive the 14 Tundra and found no improvement in the drive train. Toyota makes very few changes to vehicle drive trains from year to year while the domestics seem to make more running changes. The 2007 to 2014 Tundra engine/drive train is mostly unchanged including gear splits and software for the engine/transmission. The 2014 Tundra has slipped further behind GM, IMO.

 

Interesting; especially since the 5.7 I force has more hp, torque and a 3.73 gear ratio.

All about the gearing in the tranny and then how close you keep the RPM to the torque curve. I don't know about the hearing in the Tundra but the 6L80E has a pretty low first and second gear

 

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[mike94silverado]

This is 100% false. Ryan

x2... it's business sense 101... offer that engine in the cash cow and the people who just can't wait will find a way to buy it. then offer it in lower trims as "added value" a year or two later.... for every day it's not in an LT someone is buying an LTZ if they "Have to have it"....

 

 

as far as the OP I worked at a Toyota Dealer. the Quality of the Tundra as far as the little stuff you mentioned is no better. they come in with small correctable items. as long as the dealer is responsive and you're not dealing with engines, transmissions, etc... going out , in the grand scheme of things does it really matter? (Obviously the GM PDI is designed to catch all theose "little" things if it's not pencilwhipped)

 

another note on the Tundra.... Did they just give up or what? In 07 all I can remember them saying is that they were taking on the big boys....now it seems that they are content selling to Toyota minded owners (people who have had them before and accept the "system") or those who still blindly think they make a superior vehicle. (I think they are good vehicles, but not 100% a sure bet, no issues, gas and go Nothing is.)

 

No powertrain changes, questionable styling choices, I will say the new interior is a huge plus though!

 

 

all in all, I hope you can look past the minor problems and just settle in and enjoy your GMC. it's every bit as good of a truck as the competition.

 

This is 100% false. Ryan

x2... it's business sense 101... offer that engine in the cash cow and the people who just can't wait will find a way to buy it. then offer it in lower trims as "added value" a year or two later.... for every day it's not in an LT someone is buying an LTZ if they "Have to have it"....

 

 

as far as the OP I worked at a Toyota Dealer. the Quality of the Tundra as far as the little stuff you mentioned is no better. they come in with small correctable items. as long as the dealer is responsive and you're not dealing with engines, transmissions, etc... going out , in the grand scheme of things does it really matter? (Obviously the GM PDI is designed to catch all theose "little" things if it's not pencilwhipped)

 

another note on the Tundra.... Did they just give up or what? In 07 all I can remember them saying is that they were taking on the big boys....now it seems that they are content selling to Toyota minded owners (people who have had them before and accept the "system") or those who still blindly think they make a superior vehicle. (I think they are good vehicles, but not 100% a sure bet, no issues, gas and go Nothing is.)

 

No powertrain changes, questionable styling choices, I will say the new interior is a huge plus though!

 

 

all in all, I hope you can look past the minor problems and just settle in and enjoy your GMC. it's every bit as good of a truck as the competition.

[mike94silverado]

oh, and as far as initial Tundra quality, in 07-08 when I sold em,we had so many quality issues with them I wouldn't sell one without driving it home for a day so I could inspect it/drive it myself and get the issues fixed. That worked for me, I found all the little stuff and the customer was happy

[Ron.s]

Interesting; especially since the 5.7 I force has more hp, torque and a 3.73 gear ratio.

I bought on specs but as they say you don't drive the specs. The rear end is geared low but 5th and 6th gear are higher than the truck has torque to pull when towing in the hills. Even when not towing the Tundra won't lug pulling a hill. In cruise my wife would jump as the truck downshifted and the engine roared at high R's. I found that I could go out of cruise and do better. I say some of it's the fuel mapping based on experience. For example-pulling a hill in 6th gear at half throttle and shift to 5th....let up on the throttle yet fuel consumption is worse???

A lot of my complaints were likely the computer programs and fuel map coupled with the narrow torque curve. Toyota made 6th gear tall for fuel economy but didn't optimize 5th gear fuel map so lose lose deal. Getting max power out of a vehicle that tows and then add hills is not a simple matter. GM and Ford appear to do a better job and have years of experience with trucks so no surprise there. I'm just surprised that Toyota hasn't made a few changes and fine tuned the software. I know for a fact that some of these issues are hurting repeat sales and sales referrals from existing owners. Toyota bragged that they were going to compete in the light duty truck market....then when things didn't go well they seem to have quit trying!

[MikeNH]

The Toyota may be more powerful but I'd bet its at high RPMs. OHV motors like the GM V8s usually do better down low compared to the DOHC like the Toyota has.

[LongrangeLauber]

Hmm DOHC sounds like a bad idea on something that tows but idk cause I don't know much bout building motors

 

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[Silverado Steve]

The Toyota may be more powerful but I'd bet its at high RPMs. OHV motors like the GM V8s usually do better down low compared to the DOHC like the Toyota has.

Nope, the Tundras torque band is lower. Peak hp comes in at the same rpm for both trucks. The 5.7 iForce is a monster engine, just not efficient.

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