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Badass69 Senior Enthusiast

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Its not a priority to me when I buy a vehicle. God forbid.... I just buy what I enjoy.

 

If I like something I drive it and buy it. If it only gets 13 and the competition gets 15 but I don't like the truck.... I don't buy it. Its simple... really really simple. Diesels are garbage... you want a tractor you buy one lol. I got my fill throughout life already. Well have fun buying your economic sports car.

 

 

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RyanbabZ71 Senior Enthusiast

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Ok guys enough

 

Let's get back on track

 

 

Ryan

thewhitestallion Senior Enthusiast

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just for the record. if you look at the ford 6.2L and the gm 5.3L torque curve. the gm 5.3 has more low end torque and the 6.2 doesn't meet or exceed the torque of the 5.3 until the 3-4k mark. I find that quite funny.

Badass69 Senior Enthusiast

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just for the record. if you look at the ford 6.2L and the gm 5.3L torque curve. the gm 5.3 has more low end torque and the 6.2 doesn't meet or exceed the torque of the 5.3 until the 3-4k mark. I find that quite funny.

I haven't driven the 14 5.3 nor care too.. but I would buy that real world. The Ford 6.2 has no real low end power... like how I felt the 13 and down 6.2 GMs are. The Gm 6.2 has some potential and has some good low end power so it seems. Its no rocket either but its better than the Ford for sure. Fords tranny shifts better... which makes no sense as its the exact same transmission as in the gm trucks lol.

 

I hate saying this as they should do this but a decent tune in the 6.2 fixing the sloppy shifting and lags on shifting would be good.

 

The 14 gm was comfy and quiet.... but I liked the f150 in that respect as well. Oh and the Ford.... dead pedal jeez. If you think gm is laggy drive a 6.2 f150... yikes. It does okay once it goes but takes forever to realize you matted it lol.

 

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crushNchowda Senior Enthusiast

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I haven't driven the 14 5.3 nor care too.. but I would buy that real world. The Ford 6.2 has no real low end power... like how I felt the 13 and down 6.2 GMs are. The Gm 6.2 has some potential and has some good low end power so it seems. Its no rocket either but its better than the Ford for sure. Fords tranny shifts better... which makes no sense as its the exact same transmission as in the gm trucks lol.

 

I hate saying this as they should do this but a decent tune in the 6.2 fixing the sloppy shifting and lags on shifting would be good.

 

The 14 gm was comfy and quiet.... but I liked the f150 in that respect as well. Oh and the Ford.... dead pedal jeez. If you think gm is laggy drive a 6.2 f150... yikes. It does okay once it goes but takes forever to realize you matted it lol.

 

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GM LSx motors (in particular the performance ones like this 6.2) have been notoriously underrated, tuned pig rich from the factory, have timing pulled all over the map, and the trannies have extremely low shift torque settings & have torque management tuned in all over the place particularly at shift points. This is due to a combo of mileage, durability, and safety concerns. Whether its an LS1, 2, 3, A etc. you can expect a MINIMUM of 25 and many cases 30+ rwhp from a tune alone (obviously the bigger displacement & SC'd ones are higher). The 0-60 and 1/4 mile times also will be greatly improved not only from the improved AF ratio and added timing but from the reduced (or in the case of my LS1 GTO and L76 G8 GT completely removed) torque mgmt & firmer/quicker shifts from increasing the shift torque settings.

 

The LSx motors are and always have been absolute animals from the factory, its just that GM leaves them in a little fragile cage you have to lockpick w/ a tune to truly unleash - that's the best way to describe it. You don't get anywhere near the gains from the coyote 5.0 or Ford's 6.2 from bolt-ons/tune as you would from the LSx platform. Those motors are pretty well peaked from the factory - now the ecoboost is another story entirely and is capable of huge power, but how long the drivetrain will last making that kind of power is anyone's guess.

 

500-550rwhp was about the limit from the stock 6L80 tranny in the G8's (which I believe is same or similar to the new trucks) so you're pretty well off in that regard.

 

Simply put, there's no comparing the new 6.2 in the GMC to the 6.2 in the Ford. Ones a world-class modern interpretation of OHC pushrod smallblock V8 and the other is a crude cast iron block (bahabbhahhahaha) POS motor stressed to the max that has a sloppy torque curve and overall harsh characteristics - noisy, peaky, and rough vs. broad, smooth, and powerful.

Stex Senior Enthusiast

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Have not driven a '14 Tundra but have ridden in a '13 loaded limited Tundra with 11,000 miles. I found the ride harsh on anything except a smooth road. The seating position was awkward and seats not comfortable. Maybe the '14s are improved in these areas but the GMs just fit me better and I like the more modern engines in the GMs. I do hate AFM in any makers vehicle.

Badass69 Senior Enthusiast

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Lol. You mean LTX now... I build LS's and I tune them via efilive.... I know how crappy the stock tuning is. Depending on the engine some are worse than others. They actually like to run things lean in a lot of cases via power enrichment delay... then to make sure it won't explode add almost zero spark advance. I don't like the 6L80E.... never have nor never will but am stuck with it whether I bought a GM or a Ford. Purposely bought a TR6060 "V" to avoid the 6L90E. If GM releases an 8 speed as talked about... although delayed and now a 10 speed is being yacked about I may look that way. I'm in no hurry for a new truck.... and honestly I would have to order a GM if I wanted one. Personally I would still rather just an SLE with the 6.2 as I don't like leather whatsoever... probably in 15 I am guessing that will be available.

 

I wouldn't say the L86 is world class... its alright. Definite improvement over the L9H and L92 though which is a great engine in something light if you swap it.... The Gm engines aren't ohc either... just old pushrod like every other v8 they ever built. Cast iron blocks have their place.... anyone building LS's for big power knows aluminum is useless especially the normal castings. They flex too much under high boost applications.

 

Mind you Ford has redesign due so they may improve over the current trucks too. Time will tell.

 

 

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crushNchowda Senior Enthusiast

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I know the design is still "rudimentary", but they're tried and true and now w/ the added technology of DI and the VVT they've had for a few years plus the big fat flat torque curve they produce I do think in a sense "they're world class". I say that because whether you're looking at a some German bi turbo super finicky nonsense or a ultra high revving italian V8/V10 (although I hear they may be leaning toward FI soon too) the power they make @ the expense and complexity they make it doesn't impress me one bit when you see what GM does w/ their LT1/L86 motor that, unless somethig has changed, will run to 250,000 miles no problem w/ nothing but dino oil changes.

 

It is true Ford is set to redesign there motor we'll see what comes of it.

LongrangeLauber Senior Enthusiast

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I know the design is still "rudimentary", but they're tried and true and now w/ the added technology of DI and the VVT they've had for a few years plus the big fat flat torque curve they produce I do think in a sense "they're world class". I say that because whether you're looking at a some German bi turbo super finicky nonsense or a ultra high revving italian V8/V10 (although I hear they may be leaning toward FI soon too) the power they make @ the expense and complexity they make it doesn't impress me one bit when you see what GM does w/ their LT1/L86 motor that, unless somethig has changed, will run to 250,000 miles no problem w/ nothing but dino oil changes.

 

It is true Ford is set to redesign there motor we'll see what comes of it.

Ford is always set to change their motors. They can't find a decent motor to stick with (unlike GM and for the most part RAM). They make motors that are too good to be true. Only motor that is good for the light duty trucks is the 5.0 considering many have reported loosing boost in their ecoboost's

 

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steig Enthusiast

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What year was it?

 

While many can and will debate the reliability of Toyota, one thing is definite, you wont lose your ass on a Tacoma if you decide its not the truck for you and sell it or trade it

in.

I agree. I traded in a 2011 Tacoma on my 2014 Silverado. The Chevy salesman couldn't believe the value of the Tacoma until he looked it up.

Got within a few thousand of what I paid for Tacoma when it was new. (Not an inflated trade in either)

OUSux Enthusiast

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Since I bought two vehicles this year I thought it would be interesting to post my experience with each.

 

2013 4 Runner purchased August put on 4300 miles. No recalls, no detects, no concerns vehicle has not had any problems

 

2014 Sierra purchase September put on 3600 miles. On delivery small dent in right front fender, repaired by dealer with paintless dent repair( 1 trip to dealer) LED bed light not installed at factory, installed by dealer( 2 trips) Poor FM reception, unresolved( 1 trip to dealer) Broken dip stick, replaced by dealer( 2 trips) Back sliding window not able to open, recall part on order. Dealer over 20 miles away round trip.

 

The local dealer has been very helpful and I believe is doing everything he can to correct the problems. I purchased the Sierra over a Tundra because I thought I was getting a more updated truck. I am wondering it I made the right decision.

 

First year, gotta work the wrinkles out

TechSTL Enthusiast

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I'm feeling a lot of blind brand loyalty here. Well, this is "GM-Trucks.com" so I guess that's expected. None of these vehicles (or the engines) are garbage like some would lead you to believe. It's different strokes for different folks. Drive them both and make the choice for yourself. That'll get you the least biased feedback.

LongrangeLauber Senior Enthusiast

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We aint, well I ain't, saying that GM's are invincible, they definitely have their quirks. Crappy trannies (4L60E's), the 8.6" rear end, the front 8.25" IFS differential, rust over the fenders (more common on older trucks). Basically the only thing that doesn't break on these trucks are the motors lol

 

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Chris Senior Enthusiast

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My 4l60e is holding fine behind a 6.0. The 60e is a crapshoot

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