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OnTheReel
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Look no further than the boat world which is mostly what I do for work and fun. I have a Honda BF150 outboard on my tin boat. It’s a 2.4L Accord engine turned on end. In the car it’ll take 0w20. Proba

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Very cool. I am down to one Olds these days but she’s a keeper. 

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OK, who calls it a water heater and who refers it as a hot water heater.  

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16 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Still not responsive to the request. 

 

And what authority do you have over me? 😒

 

 

 

 

Apologies for that term.Trying to answer your scatter shot posts is why my responses seem shotgunned by OnTheReel. The only authority is I got paid for 40+ years to analyze lubricants. 

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2 minutes ago, customboss said:

We are talking Redline non api non acea licensed formulas with POE that used to be st least 30% or more  now a cut probably of 10% or less. The formulas to ran in Honda and others for years. 

 

Red Line HP carries no license from anyone. Never has. 

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2 minutes ago, customboss said:

Another lab ? 

 

Results on the left are the CUMMINS and those on the right RL0W20 both after 5K Miles. 

 

Not showing you what you wanted is it? 😬

 

Are you thinking the VOA from your blending of CUMMINS you shared with me? You want that as well?

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5 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Results on the left are the CUMMINS and those on the right RL0W20 both after 5K Miles. 

 

Not showing you what you wanted is it? 😬

 

Are you thinking the VOA from your blending of CUMMINS you shared with me? You want that as well?

Give me a chance to open the big computer. Can’t do this public analysis on a phone! 

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6 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Results on the left are the CUMMINS and those on the right RL0W20 both after 5K Miles. 

 

Not showing you what you wanted is it? 😬

 

Are you thinking the VOA from your blending of CUMMINS you shared with me? You want that as well?

Post up the VOA if post 2014 

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3 minutes ago, customboss said:

Post up the VOA if post 2014 

 

This is what you gave me as a VOA from you research during development. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

This is what you gave me as a VOA from you research during development. 

 

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Just in case people are monitoring this exchange that could be concerned about proprietary issues this is a sample of the formula produced by Cummins/Valvoline in 2018-19  procured in El Paso TX  Cummins in 2018 0r 2019. 

 

This is a HD diesel engine oil using CJ4 add pack designed to clean up to 90% of carbon deposits out of the ISX engine series. 

 

Now lets go back to Grumpy's test results with Redline. Note the wear and fuels dilujte of the HD oil in 10w30 worked better than Grumpys run of Redline 5w20?  

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On 2/12/2025 at 9:55 PM, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Just not to a party I care to go to. Any idea how many times I've heard that story? 

 

Directionally NOACK tells a story of how light the base oils are. At 11% we have allot of OCP polymer to make a 5W30 and more for a 5W40 and given the 'advertised' below SAE spec HTHS values it misses on many factors I've found to be quite important. You disagree? Fine, you use it. Let me know the actual measured wear results in say a half million miles of continuous use, not the one change at a time thing you like to do. 

 

I'll keep my track record proven "over added" 5W30 with a HTHS of a 10W40 over a low ash 5W30 with a D6616 of an SAE20 and an HTHS value of who knows what....

 

The double speak in their advertising is dizzying. I'm not interested. I see one advantage of RLI over QSUD. Polarity. I'll give it that. 

 

 

  

Just saw this comment, DIRECTIONALLY  is what engineers say when they don't really know yet.  Hypothesis vs theory vs science based fact. 

 

Not attacking you just making a note. 

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1 minute ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Is this what you are looking for? A RLHP 5W30 Post 2014 VOA?

 

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No wanted to see a follow up to your cummins oil test in the 4.3 but this is helpful. TY 

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18 minutes ago, customboss said:

Now lets go back to Grumpy's test results with Redline. Note the wear and fuels dilujte of the HD oil in 10w30 worked better than Grumpys run of Redline 5w20?  

 

Not what I see. BTW not 5W20 but 0W20

 

I see two wear test so close to identical as to be laughable. If anything it tips in the direction of more VISCOSITY.

 

 :crackup:

 

I see two test 80K miles apart ON TWO DIFFERNT FUELS. Was on E-85 for that second test FOR THE INTIRE RUN and have been ever since. 

 

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12 minutes ago, customboss said:

Just saw this comment, DIRECTIONALLY  is what engineers say when they don't really know yet.  Hypothesis vs theory vs science based fact. 

 

Not attacking you just making a note. 

 

Lord, not what that means and you know it. Means they ALL, TYPES, follow the same PATTERN. 

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