The Peckish Synapse

[customboss]

[customboss]

7 minutes ago, VicFirth said:

It appears to truly be a new class of oil in what it can achieve using unconventional method/additive or base oil. 

Or a synthesized version of n-paraffins

[Grumpy Bear]

10 minutes ago, customboss said:

Lower cost than Redline too. Shipped to your door with preferred customer from @Black02Silverado. 

 

 Apples to apples. Let's keep it legit.  Compare XL to Red Line Professional. 

 

1 minute ago, customboss said:

I hate the Putinite Russians and I used to work for Porsche there.  Glad Porsche departed Russian production after Ukraine travesty.  Not attacking YOU VicFirth. 

 

Engineering doesn't  have a party or religion or a color or nationality. It has science and since that is the bases of engineering then anyone who adheres to it will get similar outcomes. I've seen some very well written papers from every country. Now if we could just get these reports in English 

[customboss]

2 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Apples to apples. Let's keep it legit.  Compare XL to Red Line Professional.

I want Amsoils additive tech. 

[VicFirth]

What I like about Red Line though is they really don't bullshit at all.  They state their oils are PAO and Ester and they are.  In fact in 2022 or 2023 they switched to an even better PAO.  Per MSDS the % of PAO is 60-70% so plenty of room for signficant POE.  

 

I also like their response was that basically they use the same PAO and Ester base stock blend across their Euro and HP line with the only differences being additive levels and combinations.  They also heavily fortify.  Now if sulphated ash is as much of a problem as some say, then maybe HPL and Red Line aren't ideal for all engines but I think that is up for debate. 

[VicFirth]

4 minutes ago, customboss said:

I want Amsoils additive tech. 

I find it interesting that they save the Group V for SS.  All of their other oils excluding Dominator, show oxidation values <12.  This suggests to me that it's about cost cutting.  I could be wrong so don't hold me to that lol.  

Edited February 20 by VicFirth

[customboss]

[Grumpy Bear]

1 minute ago, customboss said:

I want Amsoils additive tech. 

 

Truthfully? I have no idea. I have done zero research looking into the Professional Series Oils offered by RL. Actually haven't done a dive into the AMSOIL XL line either so I really don't have anything to offer to that discussion. 

 

 

[customboss]

1 minute ago, VicFirth said:

I find it interesting that they save the Group V for SS.  All of their other oils excluding Dominator, show oxidation values <12.  This suggests to me that it's about cost cutting.  I could be wrong so don't hold me to that lol.  

I think they are using " esters" additives that are not as oxidatively active. Think newer tech. 

[VicFirth]

For the longest time the wording Mobil used on their PDS was interesting.  For the EP and regular Mobil 1 they would state "high performance base oils".  However, for the 0w40 which at the time had a virgin oxidation reading of 36 because of POE, they used the words "Ultra-high performance base oils".  In other words, the ULTRA high end base oils are the group V.  Mobil 1 0w40 SP now has an oxidation value of 10 while Mobil 1 0w40 GT, ESPx3 and 4 are still mid 30's.  

 

But as shown above, Mobil ventured into the cosmetic industry and also started using bio sourced materials for the current Triple Action line.  So it's really hard to know what is what and what is best....

[Grumpy Bear]

4 minutes ago, VicFirth said:

What I like about Red Line though is they really don't bullshit at all. 

 

I used to be, when I had good ears, quite an audiophile. 1970's component days and all. So my favorite store had 'listening rooms' where they would set up your choice of equipment and you brought your own wax and you got to listen, mix and compare to your hearts delight. At the end of the day I walked out with a $150 Pioneer belt drive table with a $150 upgrade Osawa low mass graphite head and reverse wound MIC armature with Sapphire stylist. To me and to the "O" scope I could detect no difference that made a difference between it and a $2K Bang & Olufsen direct drive. 

 

When I look into a motor at life cycle end of the vehicle and see it as clean as the day it was build and measurements still well inside new spec I don't ask what more I need from my oil. I ask what more I need to know to keep the thing it is propelling last longer. It has to matter to make a difference. 

 

I never looked at the lower shelves of AMSOIL or Red Line or MPT or TORCO because they are similar to what it on the shelf at Walmart, Amazon or O'Reilly's. I've used those oils and have suffered using them. I watched my father use those same shelf oils with great success but never at the OCI's being recommended. By the time the OCI got short enough to get a similar cleaning result it cost more than RLHP. 

 

 

[customboss]

[Grumpy Bear]

18 minutes ago, VicFirth said:

For the longest time the wording Mobil used on their PDS was interesting.  For the EP and regular Mobil 1 they would state "high performance base oils".  However, for the 0w40 which at the time had a virgin oxidation reading of 36 because of POE, they used the words "Ultra-high performance base oils".  In other words, the ULTRA high end base oils are the group V.  Mobil 1 0w40 SP now has an oxidation value of 10 while Mobil 1 0w40 GT, ESPx3 and 4 are still mid 30's.  

 

But as shown above, Mobil ventured into the cosmetic industry and also started using bio sourced materials for the current Triple Action line.  So it's really hard to know what is what and what is best....

 

I see someone else has the skills to find truth in chaos. Good show!! 

 

I got'a tell ya guys. I worry about the idea the "NEW" means "BETTER" when most of the time it means "CHEAPER". 

 

 

[VicFirth]

I remember the days of Bryn Mawr Stereo.  My dad was a big audiophile always having the latest and best stereo equipment.  I miss that place. 

Edited February 20 by VicFirth

[VicFirth]

4 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

I see someone else has the skills to find truth in chaos. Good show!! 

 

I got'a tell ya guys. I worry about the idea the "NEW" means "BETTER" when most of the time it means "CHEAPER". 

 

 

Just based on what I've seen so far I don't think the newer stuff keeps engines as clean.  I say this based on miscellaneous photos and videos over the last few years, some from Engineering Explained when they visited XOM.

 

There was an individual that ran nothing but Mobil 1 0w20 EP (SN+) version for 50k miles.  He put HPL in and found a lot of carbon in oil filter.  That particular iteration of Mobil 1 was mostly PAO and probably had a dash of AN if I had to guess.  Not enough to keep engine internals pristine. 

 

The modern approach seems to be keep oxidation at bay as long as possible but reduce detergents and solvency.  

Edited February 20 by VicFirth