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5 hours ago, customboss said:

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Think you could get a clearer and larger shot of the section on friction modifiers? Blurry. 

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Posted
16 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Think you could get a clearer and larger shot of the section on friction modifiers? Blurry. 

Click on pic open in new panel and expand. 

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Gotta help the people with aging eyes.

 

Friction modifiers:

While detergents and fuel injector cleaners tend to draw a fair amount of attention for improving fuel economy and therefore reducing emissions, friction is also a significant cause of the wasted energy and inefficiency in combustion engines. In a typical gasoline engine, approximately 25% of the gasoline burned per engine cycle is burned to overcome friction between the piston and the cylinder wall [19). The reason for this is that motor oil lubricates most of the engine, but neglects the upper part of the cylinder due to the design of the actual engine. The fuel is the most practical way to lubricate this part of the cylinder because of the fuel delivery being close to the upper part of the cylinder.

However, when the gasoline combusts in the cylinder there is no gasoline present to lubricate and the lackof lubrication is the major cause of friction hence wear of the pistons and cylinder walls.

To combat this friction and wear, friction modifiers are added to gasoline. These produce a thin lubricating film on the cylinder wall, which helps in reducing friction and wear. The reduction in friction results in improved fuel economy since less fuel is burned per cycle[19]. ExxonMobil cites the friction modifier in its premium Synergy'™ grade gasoline to be a new ingredient that reduces engine wear and tear by up to 30% [20). Shell makes similar claims about its V-Power NiTRO+premium grade and asserts it to have performance that is significantlysuperior tothat of the standard Lowest Additive Concentration (LAC) gasoline in a wear test (ASTM D6079)[21].

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Posted
3 hours ago, customboss said:

Click on pic open in new panel and expand. 

 

Did that. Got a bigger version of blurry. LOL 

 

Thanks @OnTheReel

Posted
2 hours ago, OnTheReel said:

Gotta help the people with aging eyes.

 

Friction modifiers:

While detergents and fuel injector cleaners tend to draw a fair amount of attention for improving fuel economy and therefore reducing emissions, friction is also a significant cause of the wasted energy and inefficiency in combustion engines. In a typical gasoline engine, approximately 25% of the gasoline burned per engine cycle is burned to overcome friction between the piston and the cylinder wall [19). The reason for this is that motor oil lubricates most of the engine, but neglects the upper part of the cylinder due to the design of the actual engine. The fuel is the most practical way to lubricate this part of the cylinder because of the fuel delivery being close to the upper part of the cylinder.

However, when the gasoline combusts in the cylinder there is no gasoline present to lubricate and the lackof lubrication is the major cause of friction hence wear of the pistons and cylinder walls.

To combat this friction and wear, friction modifiers are added to gasoline. These produce a thin lubricating film on the cylinder wall, which helps in reducing friction and wear. The reduction in friction results in improved fuel economy since less fuel is burned per cycle[19]. ExxonMobil cites the friction modifier in its premium Synergy'™ grade gasoline to be a new ingredient that reduces engine wear and tear by up to 30% [20). Shell makes similar claims about its V-Power NiTRO+premium grade and asserts it to have performance that is significantlysuperior tothat of the standard Lowest Additive Concentration (LAC) gasoline in a wear test (ASTM D6079)[21].

 

Perfect. Thanks. 

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Our car would have rough cold starts once in a while, ran like it was misfiring. Changed where we got gas and it stopped, both are major brand top tier gas stations.

After a rough start I would use some fuel system cleaner and it would be okay for a while.

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Posted
9 hours ago, customboss said:

Sorry

 

No worries. We got squared away. All good. 😉 

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https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-inju...odds-of-dying/

In 2023 there was a 1 in 95 chance of being killed in a motor vehicle crash. In that year there were about 342,000,000 people living in the USA. That means 360,000 people died by auto. That's allot of carnage. Enough so that we have laws and drivers education to help prevent those odds from getting lower. Add yet we have almost every person on the road defying those laws. How would those odds improve if obeyed? 🤔

When we do something we KNOW is unsafe and risk what is preventable I think we have defined "Stupid". Thing is, no matter how often you tell someone that their behavior puts them at risk, they willfully ignore. How many knew what I wrote in that first paragraph before hand? How many will now change their behavior?

1 in 7 people died from cancer and yet people do little to abate even those odds. Smoke, drink to excess etc. If people will defy odds of 1 in 7 you will never convince them to obey traffic laws at 1 in 95, and you will never get them to change their lubricating fluids for the same reasons.

Unless they value the thing at risk enough to take measures to improve their odds.

As far as lubrication is concerned getting someone who trades every few years that the cost and effort is worthwhile is going to be hard. Further, in this current climate of human selfishness, convincing someone that the next owner deserves your current best effort....well... the odds are better at getting struck by a meteor while standing on Mars. Believing they have a right to rebel and hate their neighbor.

I am also aware I can't fix that for anyone so, You do you.

 

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, diyer2 said:

Our car would have rough cold starts once in a while, ran like it was misfiring. Changed where we got gas and it stopped, both are major brand top tier gas stations.

After a rough start I would use some fuel system cleaner and it would be okay for a while.

Probably a load of PIB or PEA in one brand and not the other, the new fuel balance changed that cleaned the deposited injector/s.  More than you want to know but that's the factual reason. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

As far as lubrication is concerned getting someone who trades every few years that the cost and effort is worthwhile is going to be hard

Not just lubrication but overall approach  can save you $$ in fuel costs, smoother powerful operation,  and down time that is measureable if you are on a budget or lease the unit. 

 

I understand not caring, most don't because in US cars are CHEAP relatively when compared to our incomes and priorities.  

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Posted

Zombie Lie's and Liars

 

I'm officially coining a new phrase. The Zombie Lie. A lie so ridiculous as to be laughable and so transparent a child knows it's a lie and yet, told over and over and over, like a zombie refusing to die, until it supersedes the truth in the minds of at least 100 monkeys. 

 

I'll let you research "The 100th Monkey Theory". 

 

Zombie liar? A person whose default mode is such a lie. You heard it here first. 9:25 PM CST 3/2/2025

Posted
1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

he 100th Monkey Theory". 

 

WIKI
Later research and criticism

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In many cases of research since it was first popularized, the effect has been discredited.[1][2][3][4][5] 

Posted
1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Zombie Lie's and Liars

 

I'm officially coining a new phrase. The Zombie Lie. A lie so ridiculous as to be laughable and so transparent a child knows it's a lie and yet, told over and over and over, like a zombie refusing to die, until it supersedes the truth in the minds of at least 100 monkeys. 

 

I'll let you research "The 100th Monkey Theory". 

 

Zombie liar? A person whose default mode is such a lie. You heard it here first. 9:25 PM CST 3/2/2025

Zombie lies? Elaborate. More than social media driven stuff? 

Posted
12 minutes ago, customboss said:

Zombie lies? Elaborate. More than social media driven stuff? 

 

Public figures. Media. Podcasters. Marketers. Nothing special. I watch too much news. 😂

 

Think of the number of things media has "Normalized". Violence/war. Vulgar speech. Sexual perversity. Adultery. Oh, alternate truth. Or how about publicly dressing down. Governments pivoting from Principled to Predatory. Lying with impunity. Who started what where? 

 

News, Entertainment, Education, Religion, Politicians. It would be simpler and a much shorter list to say what it hasn't infected. Law makers making what was abnormal, normal and legal. Just spit balling it here. Shotgun thinking. 

 

Did you think I had you in the crosshairs? :rolleyes: Nah. :) 

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