2500 HD - 10,650 lbs. GVWR?

[Kfroese]

1 minute ago, Dan Forsythe said:

DOT certified inspector here, not a police officer, i own an OTR trucking company and personally do annual inspections on semi trucks and trailers to ensure they are road worthy.    If a pickup and trailer in combo has a GCWR over 26,000 you technically need a CDL and dot#'s IF AND ONLY IF ITS FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. If its personal use i am nearly certain NO state requires anything special, its when it falls under business use that it becomes an issue. 

Thanks @Dan Forsythe I am a general contractor so technically it’s all business use. Driving jobSite to job site. Seems crazy there isn’t exemptions for pickup trucks even when owned by a business. What if truck is rated for over 26000 but you never will have trailer over that weight. Does cdl kick in only if you were going to tow that? Or if truck has capability too? 

[Dan Forsythe]

1 hour ago, Kfroese said:

Thanks @Dan Forsythe I am a general contractor so technically it’s all business use. Driving jobSite to job site. Seems crazy there isn’t exemptions for pickup trucks even when owned by a business. What if truck is rated for over 26000 but you never will have trailer over that weight. Does cdl kick in only if you were going to tow that? Or if truck has capability too? 

If a business truck by itself has a weight rating of 26,001 then yes it needs dot #'s and the driver needs a CDL regardless if you have a trailer on it or not and regardless of capability. its all about the Gross Weight Ratings, either alone or combined when applicable.

 

[Kfroese]

@Dan Forsythe you’re very helpful. Can you help me understand the gvwr vs gcwr. I think the 2020 is anywhere from 10000-11350 gvwr but the gcwr is 27500 I believe. 

[Dan Forsythe]

1 minute ago, Kfroese said:

@Dan Forsythe you’re very helpful. Can you help me understand the gvwr vs gcwr. I think the 2020 is anywhere from 10000-11350 gvwr but the gcwr is 27500 I believe. 

GVWR = Gross Vehicle Weight Rating          this is the weight rating of your piece of equipment (i.e. truck or trailer)

GCWR = Gross Combined Weight Rating     this is the combined gross weight rating of truck and trailer together

 

So if your truck has a GVWR of 10,000# and your trailer has a GVWR or 14,000# then your GCWR is 24,000#. Think of it as a speed limit for weight. You can be under but get in trouble for going over. 

[Dan Forsythe]

remember too, despite the advertised conventional towing capacity of these trucks, the 2.5" receiver is only rated for 14,500# i believe. to get the advertised tow #'s you need a 3" receiver on the truck. 

[sdelam]

43 minutes ago, Dan Forsythe said:

remember too, despite the advertised conventional towing capacity of these trucks, the 2.5" receiver is only rated for 14,500# i believe. to get the advertised tow #'s you need a 3" receiver on the truck. 

Not sure this is correct. There is a sticker on the hitch (under the truck) that states its capacity. Its snowing out right now or I'd go look again but I seem to remember it being higher than the 18.5k  that GM says I can tow. 20k maybe? 

[Dan Forsythe]

That could be but check the weight rating of a 2-5/16" ball on your hitch. most are not rated for weights that high. its possible to get a 20,000# ball but you have to make sure everything is rated correctly. theres alot more moving parts than one thinks. 

[sdelam]

Agree completely, set up is only as good as the weakest part. 

[Kfroese]

1 hour ago, Dan Forsythe said:

GVWR = Gross Vehicle Weight Rating          this is the weight rating of your piece of equipment (i.e. truck or trailer)

GCWR = Gross Combined Weight Rating     this is the combined gross weight rating of truck and trailer together

 

So if your truck has a GVWR of 10,000# and your trailer has a GVWR or 14,000# then your GCWR is 24,000#. Think of it as a speed limit for weight. You can be under but get in trouble for going over. 

Thanks @Dan Forsythe OK to summarize if my truck plus trailer is under 26,000 pounds I do not need a CDL, if the GVWR is over 10,000 I need dot

[Dan Forsythe]

44 minutes ago, Kfroese said:

Thanks @Dan Forsythe OK to summarize if my truck plus trailer is under 26,000 pounds I do not need a CDL, if the GVWR is over 10,000 I need dot

If and only if the vehicle is being used for business purposes does any of this apply according to federal definitions. 

[Kfroese]

@Dan Forsythesince my business will own the truck it’s all considered for business according to chp. 

[MTU Alum]

2 hours ago, Dan Forsythe said:

remember too, despite the advertised conventional towing capacity of these trucks, the 2.5" receiver is only rated for 14,500# i believe. to get the advertised tow #'s you need a 3" receiver on the truck. 

This is false.  Rated to 20k like all other 2.5 in hitches.

 

#iworkforGM 

[Kfroese]

30 minutes ago, MTU Alum said:

This is false.  Rated to 20k like all other 2.5 in hitches.

 

#iworkforGM 

@MTU AlumSince you work for GM are you able to get the Denali with a 10,000 GVWR and California omission compliant? If you can’t why not?

Edited February 26, 2020 by Kfroese
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[Dan Forsythe]

27 minutes ago, MTU Alum said:

This is false.  Rated to 20k like all other 2.5 in hitches.

 

#iworkforGM 

I stand corrected but not all 2.5" hitches are rated for 20k, nor are all balls, hitch pins etc.   Take the popular B&W hitches for example, the 2.5" shank is only rated for 14,500#. You have to go up to the 3" shank to get to 20,000#. (just verified on their own website)   goes to show just how convoluted all of this can be. 

[MTU Alum]

55 minutes ago, Kfroese said:

@MTU AlumSince you work for GM are you able to get the Denali with a 10,000 GVWR and California omission compliant? If you can’t why not?

Emissions is not my specialty but it appears option YF5 is California emissions for 10k and under (CGO) and it is available with denali.  I would recommend to confirm with dealer.

 

#iworkforGM