Coronavirus

Grumpy Bear · April 20, 2020

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

You seem to think people are willing to sacrifice lives to open. It’s the opposite, opening to save lives, property, and a way of life.

So your saying people are going to die regardless. We just need to choose the instrument of death. Can you quantify the number of dead based on the "let her rip" tool so we can make an informed decision? You can dramatize it but you can't quantify it. No one can.

Ya think that matters more to the dead or the living?

Cruel fact:

The dead don't care and those certain of living don't care.

Only those without a choice do.

We live in a world were humans are willing to kill each other for a $ or for morsel of food. Think about how sad that is. Why? Because we have a choice to do other. The bug isn't handing out hall passes. It has its preferences but unleased...………….no 'other'....

And we've come full circle again.

The 30 somethings are willing to sacrifice the 65+.

Without a choice.

How noble of them.

KARNUT · April 20, 2020

So your saying people are going to die regardless. We just need to choose the instrument of death. Can you quantify the number of dead based on the "let her rip" tool so we can make an informed decision? You can dramatize it but you can't quantify it. No one can.

Ya think that matters more to the dead or the living?

Cruel fact:
The dead don't care and those certain of living don't care.
Only those without a choice do.

We live in a world were humans are willing to kill each other for a $ or for morsel of food. Think about how sad that is. Why? Because we have a choice to do other. The bug isn't handing out hall passes. It has its preferences but unleased...………….no 'other'....

And we've come full circle again.
The 30 somethings are willing to sacrifice the 65+.
Without a choice.
How noble of them.

Can you just imagine in your mind that people who want to stay home can? Every here of choice? Remember what people fought for and died for? How this country was founded? You act like there’s a choice where no one dies. Their is non. Oil just went to less than zero. There are countries that’s their only revenue. If something doesn’t change this bug is going to be nothing in comparison. It’s very short sighted to believe we can do this another month. We’re way past let it rip. The only thing ripping is our way of life. I’m just wondering how close to you it’s has to get until you see it. I sacrifice every day I worked to provide for my family. Most people do. They want the chance to do it again. If. You. Want. To. Stay. Home. No. One. Is. Stopping. You.

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KARNUT · April 20, 2020

So your saying people are going to die regardless. We just need to choose the instrument of death. Can you quantify the number of dead based on the "let her rip" tool so we can make an informed decision? You can dramatize it but you can't quantify it. No one can.

Ya think that matters more to the dead or the living?

Cruel fact:
The dead don't care and those certain of living don't care.
Only those without a choice do.

We live in a world were humans are willing to kill each other for a $ or for morsel of food. Think about how sad that is. Why? Because we have a choice to do other. The bug isn't handing out hall passes. It has its preferences but unleased...………….no 'other'....

And we've come full circle again.
The 30 somethings are willing to sacrifice the 65+.
Without a choice.
How noble of them.

I’m curious. You’ve been throwing numbers around. Telling people their evil who state what they’ll do. They don’t care about loss of life What exactly would you do? And explain how we come back from from what ever extended what ever you proposed. How many being unemployed is ok. We’re just 4 percent under the Great Depression now. With oil going to zero we may be there, globally. Make it simple so us stupid people understand. Waiting.

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Grumpy Bear · April 21, 2020

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

No, I don’t believe that. I guess he really believes there’s a way out without deaths. The reality is we function with acceptable loss. There’s way too many examples of that. This was a flattened the curve exercise. Now we open and hope we keep the curve flat and don’t overwhelm the hospitals. Zero deaths not possible.

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I NEVER EVER said zero death was possible.

It's a disease for crying out load.

Get a grip, the bunch of you.

:wtf:

I said almost the same thing you are saying. MINIMIZE DEATH by a measured careful deliberate reentry AFTER stabilization at a level the PREVENTS NEEDLESS DEATH. Adjust as required in response to the FACTS and not the fear of what might be. Our major difference is in what is an acceptable devastation of life to preclude devastation of commerce.

I've seen the meal lines. I've seen allot of really expensive vehicles in those lines driven by people in very expensive clothing. I've seen businesses taking 'Federal Wage Protection Money' meant to keep the bottom 1/3 afloat that had no need to do so and did, just because they can. That's not 'love your neighbor", that's grab and greed.

Most of my life has been quite blessed. Some of it was not. I've lived in my car and in abandon falling over, could throw a cat through the walls garages in sub zero weather when I lost even the car. I've taken a few meals out of the trash and lived with what should have been seen by a doctor. I've NEVER taken a food stamp or a dime I didn't earn. I've eaten crap that would make a billy goat puke. Homeless, sick and hungry is NOT the worse thing that can happen to you. I'm not feeling the pain of anyone loosing a business or

selling your Escalade to buy food. One of my best friends was on the street with his sub teen daughter for almost a year. He'd go 5 days at a time without food so his girl could eat what little he could scrounge at least once a day. He picked himself back up and became a business owner. He's just lost it all again and he will tell you straight up, this is STILL paradise compared to the part of Mexico he grew up in. My grandfather came here from devastated Germany with a $20 bill, a few cigars and one change of cloths. Didn't even speak English. Built a well to do hog farm to loose it all in 29 to greedy people. Picked himself up and did it again. Living with the hogs was better than bombed our Berlin. These people cherish life FIRST.

mookdoc6 · April 21, 2020

Grumps,

Take a looks see at Sweden...relaxed technique for COVID-19. Sure it outpaces on on MR front vs it's neighbors it's all grand experiment really. Do you know what the other side looks like for Sweden with the "let er burn" through population experiment? I don't either but I will fathom a guess that it will probably look better than a Lockdown/Mitigated approach for months on end until economic hole/collapse is so large/vast it has swallowed everyone/everything including your SSI check? Let's get honest about this virus.....after the USA hits 50K dead....it will fall flat on it's face and require much time to hit the 60k.

Does there really need to be a 3/4 human Plexiglas shield around the self checkout at your local Home Depot? Grumps....None of that crap matters when I been picking my nose for the last 60 miles on the hwy and decide to stop at Home Depot and buy some HVAC filters and rub my nasty little digits all over the screen/kepad etc. Subsequently, your next in line "lucky you" but your gloved up,masked up even cleanup up shower and shaved so no worries and you fondle all of the virus laden surfaces I had just touched! YUM, and YUMMY! Your smart though and smarter than the rest! Job is almost complete as you bought your plumbing fitting and did it all SAFELY! Time to get in "OL" PEPPER......OH.....I am taking this crap off before hopping in PEPPER! So you doffed the mask,gloves etc. and transferred or should I say...SMEARED the virus laden units all over the mask from your gloves. No worries you have a Ziplock bag in Pepper for your mask...put the mask in her and sealed up that ol virus real good and transferred the units to your skin. Not to mention preserved those little guys for happy overnight stay too!

Here comes the good part! Within the next 30 minutes you will have transferred the virus units all over Pepper and your face because you will have touched your face 15x in the half hour ride home. Keep your hands clean always...break the chain son! Let's get the people back to work and have little less FEAR you can board an airplane it's OK. Same with GDI engines keep em clean!

Edited April 21, 2020 by mookdoc6

j-ten-ner · April 21, 2020

I know that I'm leaning out of the window very far, but we could be up and running by now. IF we had shut everything down 6-8 weeks ago.

The "let it rip" approach doesn't cut it for me. Neither does the "wash your hands and keep your distance". It's all just a delay.

I have half of my crew sitting at home for 5 weeks now. The general reason is that they're scared to get back into the pool. No end in sight with this "let's drag it out" mentality of our government.

Customers are screaming for our service and I have to say "sorry, can't do it" because I don't have the man power.

Those customers also have no choice other than keep going because they'd loose business and wouldn't have any work to come back to, when this is over.

I myself have done seven jobs for the city today. All different crews with at least 3 crew members. Plus the hired back hoe operator and a two man vacuum truck crew. I came in contact with at least 42 people today. That's fu**ing insane!

Do I have a choice? Yes and no. I could say "screw it, I'm staying home". But what then? Waiting it out for another 6 weeks? Or 18 months?

What happens after that? Looking for a new job?

so long

j-ten-ner

KARNUT · April 21, 2020

My brother in law decided not to relocate and take a half his pay cut. With a company he’s worked 30 years for. Why? He would be making less after taxes than unemployment. If I they get busy and hire him back. It would be close to the pay before unemployment. If he stayed they could only increase at a percentage from his current pay. To move him back in the field. It also looks better on his resume. Messed up.

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mookdoc6 · April 21, 2020

Cataclysmic repercussions when somebody like the G.W. in MI is calling shots....nothing thoughtful,pragmatic about it. Plain ridiculous......keep voting those people in there FOLKS.

j-ten-ner · April 21, 2020

I don't know sh*t about health care and medicine. All I know is that when my urine is dark I need to drink more water.

Am I scared?
No.
I think that I have a strong immune system. If anything, I'll get the dreaded man-flu once in a while lol.

But what about my co-workers and friends?

I have to rely on the "experts". But so far, they haven't convinced me of their capability.

so long

j-ten-ner

Grumpy Bear · April 21, 2020

6 hours ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

Made me think of this:

Yea, like that.

Grumpy Bear · April 21, 2020

Let's all go off the deep end.

This a government plot to kill everyone over 60 to fix the Social Security problem and blame it on China.

Wo Who, Medicare short fall cured!!

KKK will be on board.

Big business will be all over it.

Do I hear Hitler in the background?

Maybe we can trench some mass graves.

Wait NYC already did this.

Was this better than gas chambers?

Someone will take this out of context and have me hung

Every ones problems are solved.

OR

Stupid is as stupid does.

You pick.

Grumpy Bear · April 21, 2020

1 hour ago, mookdoc6 said:

Grumps,

Take a looks see at Sweden...relaxed technique for COVID-19. Sure it outpaces on on MR front vs it's neighbors it's all grand experiment really. Do you know what the other side looks like for Sweden with the "let er burn" through population experiment? I don't either but I will fathom a guess that it will probably look better than a Lockdown/Mitigated approach for months on end until economic hole/collapse is so large/vast it has swallowed everyone/everything including your SSI check? Let's get honest about this virus.....after the USA hits 50K dead....it will fall flat on it's face and require much time to hit the 60k.

Does there really need to be a 3/4 human Plexiglas shield around the self checkout at your local Home Depot? Grumps....None of that crap matters when I been picking my nose for the last 60 miles on the hwy and decide to stop at Home Depot and buy some HVAC filters and rub my nasty little digits all over the screen/kepad etc. Subsequently, your next in line "lucky you" but your gloved up,masked up even cleanup up shower and shaved so no worries and you fondle all of the virus laden surfaces I had just touched! YUM, and YUMMY! Your smart though and smarter than the rest! Job is almost complete as you bought your plumbing fitting and did it all SAFELY! Time to get in "OL" PEPPER......OH.....I am taking this crap off before hopping in PEPPER! So you doffed the mask,gloves etc. and transferred or should I say...SMEARED the virus laden units all over the mask from your gloves. No worries you have a Ziplock bag in Pepper for your mask...put the mask in her and sealed up that ol virus real good and transferred the units to your skin. Not to mention preserved those little guys for happy overnight stay too!

Here comes the good part! Within the next 30 minutes you will have transferred the virus units all over Pepper and your face because you will have touched your face 15x in the half hour ride home. Keep your hands clean always...break the chain son! Let's get the people back to work and have little less FEAR you can board an airplane it's OK. Same with GDI engines keep em clean!

Mook I love ya like a brother. Just not one of mine.

This is another post looking at the first pitch of the game and calling the final.

Lord save me.