Coronavirus

[T1Kaiju]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/antibody-test-results-from-california-suggest-covid-death-rate-significantly-lower-than-reported

@Grumpy Bear

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[graystonelbz]

12 hours ago, jgraves13 said:

Just because it came from China doesn’t excuse the fact that the US federal administration didn’t do anything in the month of February to proactively stop the spread of the virus. They waited until it got bad to do anything. Look at all the articles that said they knew about it in November and dismissed it. Well look where we’re at today and tell me if they had handled it differently, that we would be in the same position.

 

Was the pandemic trumps fault? Absolutely not. Did he mismanage the handling of the pandemic? Yup. Same as other countries. We had a chance to start in February but we didn’t start until March. That’s a whole month gone to waste, that could have lead to a quicker “reopening” of the US

 

 

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Only the US closed travel to and from China and other countries at the end of January, while a country like Italy did nothing. And we were called racist by the WHO for taking that measure, which we know now was part of them covering it up.You must have missed it When Fauci went on TV February 29th saying we didn't need to change anything and it was low risk. So the month you are speaking of doesn't exist. China knew what they had and didn't allow travel within their country but intentionally allowed people to travel everywhere else across the globe infecting the world. It sounds like you are very misinformed. Look at any other countries news publications and read about what they did and didn't do and when. The UK originally wasn't going to do any shelter in place even after seeing how the US and other major countries had been infected, but eventually changed their approach. Sweden decided to do nothing all together.

Edited April 18, 2020 by graystonelbz

[T1Kaiju]

If we closed down the country every time a person in china got sick from a zoonosis, we would never leave quarantine...

 

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[graystonelbz]

12 hours ago, jgraves13 said:

You’re 100% correct, it wasn’t just the White House that mismanaged, the government as a whole mismanaged. Both parties, not just one.

As for what we should have done, access to testing way earlier, and contact tracing from those who tested positive. Socially distance and prevent large gatherings long before the CDC “recommended it”. Hell, we still don’t even have the amount of testing we need. First week of March the White House promised millions of tests available, they’re still not available. The entire US only tests 120k/day according to the CDC.

The virus was going to come regardless, we could have “flattened the curve” way before with mass testing and earlier social distancing rules. Could have prevented a total lockdown that we’re seeing today


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As far as I know, the term socially distancing was just invented in this country. Has anyone ever heard of the term or practiced that term ever in the history of the US.....short answer no. How would you enforce such an idea well before the CDC recommended it when the CDC basically coined the term? And the virus was just learned of, how do produce hundred of millions of tests before you know what your testing for? All of this is further muddied up by China lying about everything, most importantly timeline. They for sure knew what they had in December and perhaps as early as November. Nothing you've suggested makes any logical sense.

Edited April 18, 2020 by graystonelbz

[graystonelbz]

31 minutes ago, Texas Daddy said:

@Grumpy Bear

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Good read/listen, Dailywire has some great contributors. I don't think that info would fit his graph's narratives.

Edited April 18, 2020 by graystonelbz

[T1Kaiju]

So I google "santa clara study covid."

The result is a CNN headline "covid-19 has infected up to 85 times more people in santa clara then reported."

Click on link, and THE HEADLINE WAS CHANGED TO: Far more people may have been infected by coronavirus in one california county, study estimates.

Now why would CNN need to change that headline?

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[Cpl_Punishment]

1 minute ago, Texas Daddy said:

So I google "santa clara study covid."

The result is a CNN headline "covid-19 has infected up to 85 times more people in santa clara then reported."

Click on link, and THE HEADLINE WAS CHANGED TO: Far more people may have been infected by coronavirus in one california county, study estimates.

Now why would CNN need to change that headline?

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Clarity? Both headlines contain the same message. Or the clickbait factor. If you don't live in Santa Clara, you may not be interested in the first story. 

[KARNUT]

I just got an email form carnival cruise. I’ve done most of my cruises with them. Free cruise, 10$ third and fourth person 500 free casino credit, 350$ on board credit and free drinks. I got until the 15th to decide. Two ways to look at it I guess. The cleanest cruise known to man. Or caution to the wind. [emoji3166]


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[Ithan Henry]

3 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I just got an email form carnival cruise. I’ve done most of my cruises with them. Free cruise, 10$ third and fourth person 500 free casino credit, 350$ on board credit and free drinks. I got until the 15th to decide. Two ways to look at it I guess. The cleanest cruise known to man. Or caution to the wind.


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With how cautious people are going to be, there probably won't be many people onboard.  I'm sure that ship has been doused in bleach and would probably be the cleanest one you've ever been on.  Sounds like it could be a great deal if you're ok with the risk.

[The Zip]

The upside, got my hands on some test equipment (BioFire) which can provide a covid 19 test results in 45 minutes, great.  The downside, there was a disclosure notice on the equipment; "this test has been authorized by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), however this test has not been FDA cleared or approved and is just authorized through the declared emergency".  What was that in layman's terms?  Here is a covid 19 test but there is no guarantee it will be accurate, and furthermore, it definitely won't work after the emergency.  This company was cleared by the FDA to distribute this equipment.  C'mon man

Edited April 18, 2020 by The Zip

[Colossus]

People wanted firm answers regarding COVID 19 and no one had any for them, They had to figure this stuff out as they've gone along.  Shots in the dark.  Best guesses.  No guarantees. 

[davester]

3 hours ago, The Zip said:

The upside, got my hands on some test equipment (BioFire) which can provide a covid 19 test results in 45 minutes, great.  The downside, there was a disclosure notice on the equipment; "this test has been authorized by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), however this test has not been FDA cleared or approved and is just authorized through the declared emergency".  What was that in layman's terms?  Here is a covid 19 test but there is no guarantee it will be accurate, and furthermore, it definitely won't work after the emergency.  This company was cleared by the FDA to distribute this equipment.  C'mon man

It's not clear to me, are you complaining that the test you got ahold of listed a bunch of it's limitations?

 

Why would you complain about that?

 

There's plenty of tests and cures you can find on the internet, that don't list anything like that, that you can buy and use instead.  Course, they will pretty much be worse than the test you have, but they won't say that.

 

And that's the nature of what happens with a new disease.  You need to create some kind of compound that will react specifically with that disease, that doesn't with any other diseases (even if they are really similar), and then determine it's false positive and false negative rates.  And figuring that stuff out takes a bunch of time and a lot of different samples and other methods of testing that have a known accuracy to determine that stuff.  And then the results need to be validated by someone else, because there's big money in getting the first pretty accurate, quick test (google search for covid test for people trying to do this), and there are plenty of people and companies that will lie about the results to get their test out there, particularly if they could say they have fda approval (not the emergency approval).

[Grumpy Bear]

12 hours ago, Texas Daddy said:

@Grumpy Bear

No comment?

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Nope

Wait for it...……….

 

11 hours ago, Texas Daddy said:

So I google "santa clara study covid."

The result is a CNN headline "covid-19 has infected up to 85 times more people in santa clara then reported."

Click on link, and THE HEADLINE WAS CHANGED TO: Far more people may have been infected by coronavirus in one california county, study estimates.

Now why would CNN need to change that headline?

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Finish the story. 

Numbers don't lie, liars use numbers

85X more was still less than 5% of the population

Meaning?

No Herd Immunity.

 

If I throw away 2 of 3 apples I can report it two ways.

 

66.6% of ALL apples were mysteriously lost today.

OR

A fella tossed two rotten apples

 

Which one makes better copy?

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Grumpy Bear

[T1Kaiju]

10 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Finish the story. 

Numbers don't lie, liars use numbers

85X more was still less than 5% of the population

Meaning?

No Herd Immunity.

 

If I throw away 2 of 3 apples I can report it two ways.

 

66.6% of ALL apples were mysteriously lost today.

OR

A fella tossed two rotten apples

 

Which one makes better copy?

 

With the facts in your face, you still cling to your flawed ideas. All studies extrapolate from samples. You dont have any sort of science degree, nor healthcare experience, do you? Herd immunity is aquired by exposure (like we get from the flu). The most effective way to achieve it is to let it run its course. This is no worse than a flu, yet we are limiting our exposure to spread fear. This is being done for the first time with no proof, and it limits the course...


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Edited April 19, 2020 by txab
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