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Is a Snowplow Package a Stiffer Ride? 2024 GMC Sierra HD2500 Denali Ultimate

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18 hours ago, rdonarski said:

I have a 2020 withe the snowplow prep package and my son has a 2016 w/o it. I think his has a more comfortable ride, but his is the LTZ and mine is the WT. I figure that could play into that. I would never put a snowplow on it. Just came with the truck.

Thanks for sharing.... I would agree, yours in all likelihood would play a difference. Other than that, I would think between the years of yours and your sons there would be some balance due to the newer suspension's. Living here in Michigan, if I get a chance to ride one with and w/o this package, I'll be able to know pretty quick. Thanks again, appreciate it. Ray 👍

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Both my 2021 and 2024 3500HD Silverados were ordered with the "camper front springs" which I am told are the same as the ones in the plow prep package. I dont think the truck rides harsh but I havent

Pryme
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My truck has it and camper pack and I don’t mind the ride at all. It’s super smooth on smooth roads but will have you a bit on crap roads. I haven’t driven a 2020+ hd besides mine though.    mi

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Camper springs are mid weight springs on some cabs, identical to VYU on others.   GM Spring chart - https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NASApp/domestic/printbook?pdftype=option&lang=1&

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11 hours ago, 64BAwagon said:

With the 3500 chassis pulling a 36ft mid profile 5th wheel I really didnt need the extra capacity on the front axle but for the small cost for the upgrade I always go for more capacity. 

Absolutely! Thanks for sharing. Ray 👍

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9 hours ago, MTU Alum said:

On 4wd diesels crew cabs, the snow plow prep is just one torsion bar higher.  On gas trucks, you could be two or torsion bar sizes higher for snow plow.

 

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Thanks.... That's great information. Maybe, just being a heavier torsion bar won't make a huge difference in ride. With that being said as you know, normally under load gives you a little smoother ride. tahnak again. Ray 👍 

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10 hours ago, MTU Alum said:

On 4wd diesels crew cabs, the snow plow prep is just one torsion bar higher.  On gas trucks, you could be two or torsion bar sizes higher for snow plow.

 

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So is the actual tube diameter larger on the bigger torsion bars? I know my truck is 5600 front and 6600 rear. I think that’s the biggest for a gas truck?

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4 hours ago, Pryme said:

So is the actual tube diameter larger on the bigger torsion bars? I know my truck is 5600 front and 6600 rear. I think that’s the biggest for a gas truck?

 

You might be thinking of sway bars, not torsion bars. Only the front has torsion bars (instead of leaf or coil springs for front).

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I had a '21 Denali with the snow plow camper package and now have a '24 Denali Ultimate without and the ride is noticeably softer without just my two cents.

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11 hours ago, Pryme said:

So is the actual tube diameter larger on the bigger torsion bars? I know my truck is 5600 front and 6600 rear. I think that’s the biggest for a gas truck?

They are solid bars, with a hexes formed on on the ends in a 'upsetter'. (it's a forging process)

(for a few years I worked for a vender than made torsion bars...)

 

Anyway, hexes and length will be the same so they fit the trucks, diameter gets changed to change spring rate. 

If you're ever changing them, there are RH and LH versions.  Yes, it matters.

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The diameter changes with rate.  5600 lbs is the highest on 2020 to 2023 L8T.  For 2024, L8Ts can get 6000 lbs.  This is due to extra weight of 10sp trans.

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19 hours ago, HawkScot said:

 

You might be thinking of sway bars, not torsion bars. Only the front has torsion bars (instead of leaf or coil springs for front).

No I know these trucks don’t have sway bars. I know they are only in the front I’ve been under my truck a bunch. I was just talking about the weights front and rear. 

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17 hours ago, clongtine said:

I had a '21 Denali with the snow plow camper package and now have a '24 Denali Ultimate without and the ride is noticeably softer without just my two cents.

First, Congrat's on your New Ultimate!! Thank You for sharing this great information! Your two cents is very much appreciated. Ray 👍

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I started out with 5600 lb bars on my 3500 hd cclb srw as “camper springs.”  I did not like the suspension dynamics.  The front would bounce up faster than the rear when going over dips at highway speed. I changed mine to the standard 5200 lb springs for that model. The ride is better and the front pitch up over dips is gone.  If you are not actually going to put the extra weight on the front I would recommend staying away from camper or plow springs. 
 

If anyone has questions about what is involved in changing them I can answer questions or direct you to my post describing the job.  It was easier than I expected. 

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Yesterday I was working my job as a boat inspector at a local boat ramp (checking for invasive species). A gentleman pulled up with a 2500HD LTZ Z71 Sport. Nice truck. I was giving him crap on it being overkill to pull his pontoon boat out. He said he uses it mainly for pulling a large 5th wheel. Has over 80K miles on it already. he and his friend both commented how rough it rides when not pulling the 5th wheel. I asked and he said it has the snowplow option too (although he like me never plans on using it). Anyhow, it made me feel better that it isn't just the difference between the WT and LTZ that makes the rough ride. I really don't mind mine, but this gives me ammunition when my wife complains about it. It's not just because I was cheap.....for a change!

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I’ve had my share of 3/4 and one tons. They all were used for pulling. My first order of business after purchasing was adding a 100 gallon fuel tank and a tank top toolbox. It was loaded with all the tools I needed up to 3/4 inch drive. I even had a small air compressor. The tool box also housed a decent jack and stands. Not pulling my back tire air pressure was lowered. All this I consider necessary for any kind of pulling, especially the fuel tank. That all contributes to decent ride quality. There’s a ying and yang with everything. 

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7 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I’ve had my share of 3/4 and one tons. They all were used for pulling. My first order of business after purchasing was adding a 100 gallon fuel tank and a tank top toolbox. It was loaded with all the tools I needed up to 3/4 inch drive. I even had a small air compressor. The tool box also housed a decent jack and stands. Not pulling my back tire air pressure was lowered. All this I consider necessary for any kind of pulling, especially the fuel tank. That all contributes to decent ride quality. There’s a ying and yang with everything. 

I agree. I own a skid steer. Pulling that with my 3/4 tone is lots better than it used to be with my 1/2 ton where sometimes I had my doubt about what was pulling what. I have a car, a SUV and my truck. If I'm not paying attention, I find my truck to be the vehicle I'm most likely to be speeding in. Just doesn't seem like it's going that fast.

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On 7/1/2023 at 11:09 PM, Another JR said:

I started out with 5600 lb bars on my 3500 hd cclb srw as “camper springs.”  I did not like the suspension dynamics.  The front would bounce up faster than the rear when going over dips at highway speed. I changed mine to the standard 5200 lb springs for that model. The ride is better and the front pitch up over dips is gone.  If you are not actually going to put the extra weight on the front I would recommend staying away from camper or plow springs. 
 

If anyone has questions about what is involved in changing them I can answer questions or direct you to my post describing the job.  It was easier than I expected. 

Thanks for the great information. That sounds pretty rough.... After hearing the stories here, I'm going to stay away from any suspension changes other than stock. My heaviest load is my boat at approx. 7,500lb's in which my 2018 2500HD Denali handle's very easily. Also, it appears that these suspension packages may raise the truck one to two inches. My attached garage door is only two inches higher than the spec's of the Ultimate. I do have a pole barn which has a 10' overhead door but, I would rather use my attached garage. Biggest problem is, everything in transit has either the 3500 leaf spring or snow plow package on them. Closest one without, is 260 miles away with the color I want. Thanks again, appreciate it. Ray 👍

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