Towing first 500 miles?

[Ben Jardine]

1 hour ago, bruceb58 said:

Gotta love people who seem to know more than the engineers who designed the vehicle and its parts. 

Some of us cant use a break in period . I needed to replace my 03 duramax and needed a truck to go straight to work . I know theres more people like me out there who buy a truck for company use as im a owner operator  . Its just a machine . Its bought to work . It doesnt have feelings and its going to probably have 300 000 on it by the time its 3 years old 

[bruceb58]

34 minutes ago, Ben Jardine said:

Some of us cant use a break in period . I needed to replace my 03 duramax and needed a truck to go straight to work . I know theres more people like me out there who buy a truck for company use as im a owner operator  . Its just a machine . Its bought to work . It doesnt have feelings and its going to probably have 300 000 on it by the time its 3 years old 

I don't know what to tell you. It's what's recommended. Your choice if you don't want to follow it.

[Grumpy Bear]

22 hours ago, KARNUT said:

When it comes to automobiles will is hard to prove. In my venture into over 150K mile club I ask several dealers when certain items would wear out. Like a battery or starter. When would you recommend changing. Non could tell me. So much for will. 

 

Rubbing you paint with sandpaper WILL wear it out faster than rubbing it with Chinchilla fur.  It isn't hard to prove. 

 

What is hard for almost everyone is waiting long enough for it to prove itself. We humans are an impatient lot. When we don't see results NOW we assume there aren't any. Darn few people have a 25-year or more daily driven vehicle horizon.

 

I've owned a fraction of the vehicles even frugal people buy. A few over 30 years. One over 40. Cheaper and no less reliable or safe than tossing truckloads of money at the OEM's.  

 

14 hours ago, bruceb58 said:

Gotta love people who seem to know more than the engineers who designed the vehicle and its parts. 

 

To be fair Bruce, the OEMs don't help their "trust-ability" cause when they place their need above the consumers. C.A.F.E. credits over longevity in example. Rapid assembly over critical alignment. You know the argument, "It would cost too much to do it right". Go measure the rear axle alignment of any fixed rear torsion bar axle. Pure garbage. Oh, you will never break it, but you will buy tires like you own the factory and pay in extra fuel. Government won't make them fix it, it isn't safety, it's engineering. Just some examples. Low tension rings? Don't get me started. 

 

   

[Grumpy Bear]

13 hours ago, Ben Jardine said:

Some of us cant use a break in period . I needed to replace my 03 duramax and needed a truck to go straight to work . I know theres more people like me out there who buy a truck for company use as im a owner operator  . Its just a machine . Its bought to work . It doesnt have feelings and its going to probably have 300 000 on it by the time its 3 years old 

 

I can, have and do put on 500 miles in a single day. Not that big a deal. Yea, at 50 mph. 

 

Takes much longer to see the benefit from a diesel. Gas to diesel is apples and oranges. Diesel is heavier built. Generally, uses a more viscous and robust oil and the most important difference is the motors lower average lifetime piston speed. Nobody bats an eye when one says a million-mile diesel. No one believes you when you have a 400K mile gasser.  

 

No, you won't hurt her feelings. Just break her pearts. 

[KARNUT]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Rubbing you paint with sandpaper WILL wear it out faster than rubbing it with Chinchilla fur.  It isn't hard to prove. 

 

What is hard for almost everyone is waiting long enough for it to prove itself. We humans are an impatient lot. When we don't see results NOW we assume there aren't any. Darn few people have a 25-year or more daily driven vehicle horizon.

 

I've owned a fraction of the vehicles even frugal people buy. A few over 30 years. One over 40. Cheaper and no less reliable or safe than tossing truckloads of money at the OEM's.  

 

 

To be fair Bruce, the OEMs don't help their "trust-ability" cause when they place their need above the consumers. C.A.F.E. credits over longevity in example. Rapid assembly over critical alignment. You know the argument, "It would cost too much to do it right". Go measure the rear axle alignment of any fixed rear torsion bar axle. Pure garbage. Oh, you will never break it, but you will buy tires like you own the factory and pay in extra fuel. Government won't make them fix it, it isn't safety, it's engineering. Just some examples. Low tension rings? Don't get me started. 

 

   

I only give personal experience results. I only ran my work trucks a couple of years up to 150K miles. I was financially dependent on them and I pushed them passed the manufacturers recommendations. All were modified, some heavily. Only one failed, a 95 dodge V-10. A manufacturer defect, replaced with me just paying for labor. All ran Amsoil extended mileage oil changes. Manufacturer break in recommendations. Hardly anyone can do it. Just watch all the drivers with paper tags on the interstate and imagine them trying to follow the break in process. Yikes. Of course everything is monitored in your rides these days. So now they have another way to deny your warranty. Such fun. I’m so glad I don’t have to buy a new diesel truck these days. All the procedures just to drive them. I was born at exactly the right time. I got to experience the best of Detroit. I can just imagine me saying to my dad. Hey I got to take the day off to properly break in my new truck. I still remember my first car. I had my permit. My father ,brother and me picked it up. After they explain the break in process. We pulled out and hit the first light. Had our first race. My mother in their 73 Buick Rivera. My second car I put on a high rise intake and went racing the first weekend. I had a blast with my vehicles they all lasted me until I got the next one. You can run them to the max, burn rubber within the operating limits and still have a decent life span. Some people’s life span of a vehicle is different than others. My daughter followed the light on her Odyssey 8-10K oil changes. Did maintenance when it went into limp mode. Two teenagers learned to drive in it. The underside shows it’s been off the road. It’s been rear ended and sideswiped. At 127K I got it. Did the maintenance and at 146K it drives like a new one. Made me a believer. When it reaches 200K I’ll give it to a grandkid just to see how long it goes. I’m no fool I can see what vehicles are quality. It isn’t the break in process.

Edited April 22, 2024 by KARNUT

[bruceb58]

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

I only give personal experience results. I only ran my work trucks a couple of years up to 150K miles. I was financially dependent on them and I pushed them passed the manufacturers recommendations. All were modified, some heavily. Only one failed, a 95 dodge V-10. A manufacturer defect, replaced with me just paying for labor. All ran Amsoil extended mileage oil changes. Manufacturer break in recommendations. Hardly anyone can do it. Just watch all the drivers with paper tags on the interstate and imagine them trying to follow the break in process. Yikes. Of course everything is monitored in your rides these days. So now they have another way to deny your warranty. Such fun. I’m so glad I don’t have to buy a new diesel truck these days. All the procedures just to drive them. I was born at exactly the right time. I got to experience the best of Detroit. I can just imagine me saying to my dad. Hey I got to take the day off to properly break in my new truck. I still remember my first car. I had my permit. My father ,brother and me picked it up. After they explain the break in process. We pulled out and hit the first light. Had our first race. My mother in their 73 Buick Rivera. My second car I put on a high rise intake and went racing the first weekend. I had a blast with my vehicles they all lasted me until I got the next one. You can run them to the max, burn rubber within the operating limits and still have a decent life span. Some people’s life span of a vehicle is different than others. My daughter followed the light on her Odyssey 8-10K oil changes. Did maintenance when it went into limp mode. Two teenagers learned to drive in it. The underside shows it’s been off the road. It’s been rear ended and sideswiped. At 127K I got it. Did the maintenance and at 146K it drives like a new one. Made me a believer. When it reaches 200K I’ll give it to a grandkid just to see how long it goes. I’m no fool I can see what vehicles are quality. It isn’t the break in process.

I am curious...what model of Heavy Duty GM truck do you own

[KARNUT]

41 minutes ago, bruceb58 said:

I am curious...what model of Heavy Duty GM truck do you own

I’ve owned every model except Nissan. As a family business owner the first one was a 65 two ton Chevy wrecker we converted to a fifth wheel equipment hauler. 72 F-350 390 with a 735 holly, headers 410 rear. 1988 Ford F-350, 7.3 banks 410 rear with a bolt on overdrive. 91 Cummins Dodge 5 speed, screw turn in fuel pump over speed the governor to help the 2-3 shift. 94 Chevy Texas stagecoach F-350 6.5 GM diesel. 94 Ram 1 ton diesel, 94 V-10, 95, V10 Rams, 97, Ford power stroke, 97 dodge 5.9, 2001 Power stroke, my mother still drives. 2001 Ram 5.9 2 of those. 2005 Ram. We had 1/2 ton 6.5 and 350 Chevy trucks during that time. In 99 I started driving 1/2 tons for sales and training work. 99 ford sport with a vortec S/C. 2001 GMC, 2004 Z71,06 Trailblazer SS, 2008 reg cab ram. We have and have 4 2 ton service trucks. Brothers sons take over field work still driving modified 5.9 Rams. My son sells homes no interest in the family business. That doesn’t count wives trucks, cars, SUVs, or hot rods, gas or diesel. I’m currently retired. Brother drives a Shelby Super Snake Ford. His son a Raptor. The head shop Forman a TRX. Currently they have 4 service 2 tons diesel trucks. They service and sell all kinds of prime movers for their clearing machines up to 1000 Horsepower. They’re all diesel. We still have the 2001 power stoke and one 98 5.9 Ram when they were at their best for reliability. My one brother who runs 19 Row crews usually has 6 Ford diesel trucks in his yard. His son runs about as many crews. He just got a new F 350 platinum edition. Even though I’m retired 10 years now. I keep up with the new stuff just for the enjoyment of it.

[Grumpy Bear]

10 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I only ran my work trucks a couple of years up to 150K miles.

 

I'll have to break you of that bad habit. 

 

8 hours ago, bruceb58 said:

I am curious...what model of Heavy Duty GM truck do you own

 

Oh boy did you step in it. 

 

It's all good.  

[bruceb58]

Just now, Grumpy Bear said:

Oh boy did you step in it. 

 

 

No kidding...didn't think I was going to get the whole life story! I am guessing there was an answer to my question in there somewhere...maybe not!

[KARNUT]

57 minutes ago, bruceb58 said:

No kidding...didn't think I was going to get the whole life story! I am guessing there was an answer to my question in there somewhere...maybe not!

Yes it was. I may be retired but I’m involved. It’s a family business after all. We have all the big three up to F-450s. I can drive any at anytime. I don’t personally have a 3/4 or one ton though I don’t need one. But I’m around ours weekly.

[KARNUT]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

I'll have to break you of that bad habit. 

 

 

Oh boy did you step in it. 

 

It's all good.  

My latest truck is going on its fifth year with me. I only put about 100 miles a week on it. Not traveling to Fayetteville anymore my trips will be no farther than one days worth of driving from now on. My total yearly miles with all the vehicles will probably be around 12K miles a year. Once the Honda wears out I’ll probably not replace it. Use the wife’s car for trips. The avalanche for my going to town truck. Those 2000-2006 large GM trucks and SUVs were just about indestructible and easy to keep going. I don’t see a new vehicle for awhile, well new to me.