Some Assembly is Required

[Grumpy Bear]

Some Assembly Required

 

You might as well ask a magician how the trick is done as to ask a blender what’s in the bottle. And I imagine that would be true if it were not for the fact that everything in the universe MUST obey the rules/laws of the universe. They are immutable. We can define our world with few exceptions or explain it in the rules of physics, chemistry and mathematics. The languages we use to make sense of what seems to be magic. The few we cannot explain only means a lack of data or a lack of understanding that data.

 

Do I have to know the acceleration of gravity, a property of physics represented by a mathematical model, to be certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I walk off my roof I will fall to whatever is below me? Do I have to have a Doctorate in biology to know for certain that planting a kernel of corn will grow a plant of corn? No! Correlated observations will instruct me as to the certainty of the suns rising and setting.

 

Observations of physical properties OR the written records of another's observations. It is what a test result is, isn’t it? The tests is just a method to objectify, quantify and correlate observations into repeatable units of observation.

 

There is also the ‘thought experiment’ method Einstein was so fond of. One may ask, for example, can something be created from nothing? What do you conclude about our universe when you observe Entropy in action?

 

Sometimes to understand a thing we need more than one input or observation. For example, watching the sun rise in the east and set in the west doesn’t tell you if the earth orbits the sun or the sun orbits the earth. Oh this one is important indeed. 

 

Point is, you don’t need to know all there is to know nor do your observations stand in a vacuum. Your life it short. It’s okay to use others observations and records. It’s why you hired a lab to do some of the heavy lifting. It’s why blenders publish, to one degree or another, ‘Product Data Sheets” whose contend is assured in broad strokes by regulations on “Truth in Advertising” laws. Or, internally policed by a companies need to maintain a reputation to sell into a market. It’s not perfect and cheaters get caught but it is what you have to work with.

 

I avoid like plague the arguments of “ the act of measurement alters the measurement’ or instruments being ISO certified to the National Bureau of Standards and demanding an exact accounting of the chain of evidence. I’m not deciding the fate of a human life in open court on on a operating table, I’m finding the truth, as well as it can be known, about what products I choose to use based on my confidence in the testing, the results, the observations and the reputations of others. This means:

 

SOME ASSEMBLY IS REQUIRED

 

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Grumpy Bear

[Grumpy Bear]

Poke around in these three links then ask YOURSELF.

 

https://assets.ctfassets.net/snhyjnum9sjq/X2rxsjFXbIaJbAJ7uWWbj/75f3fc908ccb36fd108e8e05839e238b/Motiva_Production_Latest.pdf

 

https://www.goncordchemical.com/about-5-15

 

https://www.chempoint.com/products/chevron-phillips-chemical-company/synfluid-polyalphaolefins/synfluid-c10-based-paos/synfluid-c10-based-paos-10-cst

 

Questions to answer when you've done your homework:

 

1.) What are the pour points of these various base oil Groups? Flash points? NOACK numbers? 100C Viscosity ranges?

2.) What relationships do you see between viscosity and NOACK?

3.) Explain to YOURSELF how one gets a Full Synthetic *W30 or heavier oil without use of an mPAO knowing that use of Group I/II oils are not allowed? 

4.) If you figure out question #3 than ask YOURSELF how shear stable those oils are if the solution is the cheapest chemical crutch possible? 

5.) Explain to YOURSELF how the oil below could be blended using Group III base oil.

          Hint: compare NOACK, Pour Point and viscosities

 

Some Assembly Required,

of typical physical properties

 

[jwhjr]

0.5.) Do I waste my time?

 

 

No.

[Grumpy Bear]

6 hours ago, jwhjr said:

0.5.) Do I waste my time?

 

 

No.

 

You are quite free to do as you wish. I'll bet you could find even better use of your time than wasting it commenting on topics you have no interest in after wasting enough of it to assure yourself you had no interest in it then more to form such a witty response. Fact is, wasting time seems to be your "Thing". Go ahead, waste some more getting the last word. 

 

Edited October 31, 2024 by Grumpy Bear

[Grumpy Bear]

Alkylated Naphthalene

 

https://www.exxonmobilchemical.com/en/chemicals/webapi/dps/v1/datasheets/150000000338/0/en

 

 

Note Pour points. 

Note VI and what that would mean for VM's. 

Note NOACK? 

Compare to Red Line and resolve the discrepancy. 

 

Add to above list. 

 

GTL

 

https://www.stle.org/images/pdf/STLE_ORG/BOK/OM_OA/Base Oils/GTL Base Oils_Nov15 TLT.pdf

 

Only 3 cSt available and that is limited in quantity. 

Edited November 1, 2024 by Grumpy Bear

[Grumpy Bear]

In Sunday services I heard a speaker talk about a women mentioned in the Bible at Luke 2:36 named Anna. She is mentioned in only three consecutive verses. From the information in those three verses and weaving that in with known history he was able to reconstruct the most meaningful points of this woman's life with deafening probability. The major events she lived through. He husbands death circumstances. How that shaped her as evidenced in the results of her life. who she knew, what she witnesses and how it affected her entire life. He used her mentioned age and knowing the event and the time of that event. Jesus circumcision by Jewish law. It was something to hear. 

 

Point is, if you think the only facts available to you are those printed on a bottle or in a brochure you are not looking hard enough and most of what you believe to be unknowable actually is.  It's just that:

 

Some Assembly is Required

 

I'm not selling a product. I'm promoting the idea you can know more than you think you can. Than you feel you've been given permission to know. Don't be lazy and don't be gullible. Dig. Child like wonder is as powerful as a college degree and more useful. 

[Grumpy Bear]

 

https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/lit/databulletins/g3395.pdf

 

Top copied from link below it. 

 

Question: What does AMSOIL consider an "Extended Drain Interval"?

 

Read it slow and consult your manual. 

 

Hint: It isn't 10 to 20 K miles. 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2024 by Grumpy Bear

[Grumpy Bear]

Thought experiments. Einstein's favorite experiment. Aristotle's logic. Paul's Reason. An aspect of being created in the image of God. Einstein, absent sufficient facts, reasoned his way to Relativity and afterwards explained it in mathematics. Not the other way around. 

 

Everything in our physical Universe has a "Beginning". Reason says everything physical has one. A car, a house, a planet a star.

 

Reason backward to the first star. The first galaxy. Where did the 'stuff' of construction come from? Something earlier. So, if everything has a beginning, everything physical, then where did that stuff come from? Reason. Something not physical. Something eternal. Something without a beginning or an end. 

 

When you look at a house do you see intelligent design or the result of chaos and happenstance? If I took every part of a clock and put them in a paint shaker and left the shaker on until it assembled that clock how long would that take? Infinity. What would Entropy suggest? 

 

So the "Thing" that is the source of matter must be both non-physical and INTELLEGENT. And that 'thing' created with a purpose. It had existed for eternity and needed nothing. It was, in and of itself complete and perfect.

 

I knew this from my earliest memories. Age four perhaps. Staring out the window on the top bunk of my three brother bedroom staring out into the sky wondering were the edge might be and if I were to reach that edge, what lie beyond it? Infinity. 

 

So if as a four year old I unraveled he mystery of God without ever reading a Bible or even having the ability to do so for that matter, how hard do you think it might be for me to unravel the nature of a well keep human Proprietary "Intellectual Secret" from facts we all have access to?  

 

But..."Some Assembly IS Required". 

 

Truth is, we all have that ability. I'm not that special and men are not the clever. But they are that deluded. 

 

Truth is ABSOLUTE but facts vary. And our understanding of truth is at times INCOMPLETE. Only a humble mind can complete it. A haughty mind is already closed to it. You MUST be wrong and accept that fact to learn even ONE new truth. 

 

 

 

 

[Grumpy Bear]

Some Assembly Required

 

Is Red Line's HP line now a Group III since Phillips buy out? No. And how can I know? 

 

Tab A: A handful of countries in the EU didn't buy into the outcome of the Castrol/XOM lawsuit whose definition allows Group III/III+ base oils to be labeled "Synthetic".  For a PCMO/HDMO oil to be distributed within these few countries and carry a "Full Synthetic" label the base oils must be actual honest fabricated molecules not 'reformulated' molecules. This means only Group IV and some of Group V fluids can be labeled and sold as "Full Synthetics".  NOT Group III/III+. Germany is one of those countries

 

Slot B: One of two EU distributors for Red Line HP and HP Euro. Both product lines carry "Full Synthetic" labeling. 

 

ATOMIC-SHOP GmbH

53520 Meuspath, Gottlieb-Daimler-Str. 13
Gewerbepark am, Nürburgring,

 

I also have a relationship with the US distributor that supplies the German distributor. They pull orders from the same shelves mine are pulled from. Been there, watched that when I got the five cent tour of the new setup recently. That is allot of oil. 

[Grumpy Bear]

Fact or Truth?

 

FACT is Frank is ignorant of Newtons second law of motion, F=MA, and what it means to two motor vehicles the meet head on and as such thinks speed limits and passing zones are stupid. He drives a large truck with the latest safety features which he in FACT believes will deliver him alive and whole. 

 

Truth 

Frank and five others are dead.

 

 

There are alternate facts. There is no alternate truth.

Learn the difference.

Edited December 26, 2024 by Grumpy Bear

[KARNUT]

Pay attention, don’t hit head on. Unsafe at any speed. 

[Grumpy Bear]

Some Assembly Required

 

When you don't have data, you generate it.

When you do have it, you use it. 

When you have enough you trend it.

 

Question is;

When you see the results will you believe it?

 

(5w40 Study)

 

I think I will.

 

First point had already shown me than 5W40 (Increased HTHS) produced lower wear than the OEM recommended 0W20. Second point confirmed it. Not enough data yet to assure it will be an improvement over 5W30. 

 

On this last sample I added enough ZDDP to reach API SH.

 

What I was expecting: Slow the rate of oxidation.

 

What testing showed.

1.) Lighter color at end of run. Two Gardner Units

2.) Less depletion of Calcium. (Higher residuals)

3.) Higher TBN (slowed depletion).

 

Did it have any effect on total wear metals? Unknown as the units trend is falling reduction could also be just running in. 

[Grumpy Bear]

Would ACCESS be Important?  

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301679X19304608

 

A few issues with Cu-DDP nano-particles. (Above)

Studied for the last 26 years and zero commercial products anyone named "Joe Average" can buy.

Read the details!

 

 

I live in the world he have...not the one I wish I had.

Pipe on Pied Piper. 

 

 

Oh, I have a cure for a condition no one is suffering from! 

 

 

[Grumpy Bear]

I think vehicles now come as starter kits and

Some Assembly is Required

 

After getting back some UOA results and unhappy with the silicon levels and knowing this unit is only a few months oil I went on a hunt for places for stray air/dirt to enter and found two without much effort. Air inlet filter gasket. New and different filter with a thicker more compliant seal is a starting place. 

 

The second was the dipstick. Really loose fitting in the tube and the "O" ring sloppy in the groove. Think if I tuned it upside down it would have fell out so....

 

 

I made a tool with the "O" rings exact radius, chucked it up in the lathe and cut a second ditch above the lower original placement that was also not as deep. This is a snug and vacuum tight seal. The cost if done with one "O" ring and just a proper groove would be ZERO and on display is manufacturing's "I don't care" attitude. 

[Grumpy Bear]

Seven the Hard Way

 

Not that yesterday was the first time it had ever happened to me but yesterday was the first time I saw the benefit of my own learned experience and education in a practical and personal way.

 

Look, I understand the edge running oil viscosity into the dirt has on fuel economy. It isn't lost on me that it is also a trade off for wear and thus longevity. Even die hard low viscosity proponents can not deny that simple truth. For it is for that very purpose the additive industry has sought a 'cure' for the ill effects of low viscosity. 

 

So what happened was a loss of coolant. A rock pierced the radiator and the temperature spiked. I was fortunate to have been actually watching the temperature readout when it happened and shut it down in an instant. But it raised a question and made me thankful for my pigheadedness. 

 

Viscosity is tied to????? Temperature! The OEM spec it tied to????? Normal operating conditions! 

 

Yea, no cushion for????? Abnormal conditions. Come on man, keep up. 

 

What are abnormal conditions the OEM spec does not account for? GDI top ring land fuel dilution. Sump dilution from faulty GDI pumps leaking into the sump. Loss of coolant that does not trigger a warning SOON ENOUGH and they never do. Dad used to say the purpose of an idiot light is to tell an idiot he just torched his motor. 

 

Some of these abnormal conditions have been normalized. Like dumping fuel to heat cat converters on cold start. No CEL is set when the motor is forced into accepting 15% top land dilution/wash down. No CEL is set when driving bulk oil temperature well past rational or water temps until the system is bone dry. Power cylinder wall temperatures driven past all reason. They add cushion to the CEL system to the point they are useless. 

 

All of this requires some assembly. I've saved more motors (money) running high viscosity full SAPS oils that I ever saved in fuel costs running tap water for oil. 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2025 by Grumpy Bear