Some Assembly is Required

customboss · October 1, 2025

12 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

I've supplied numerous STLE and SAE articles and equipment vendors instructions on this topic. You can't wish a thing to be true. I'm not suppling more TRUTH from YOUR PEOPLE for you to ignore and confuse people with.

Nitration levels are all over the map. 2 minutes googling others VOA samples. Background matters. It matters to the STLE and the SAE and to the people that make the instruments that measure it. You call me a liar and a fool and whatever else come to mind but it still won't make you right. Make you opposed to your own craft.

Produce ONE single credible source that agrees with this fiction and I'll give it a second look. But until then...fiction it is.

You need not continue to explain your reasoning for being ignorant.

By continuing you make yourself worse than ignorant. Lying is not a great look.

R&D FTIR, Mass Spec Gas Chromatography backs my 45 years of PAID work on those and Ramen, near IR.
The one actual post you STATED was 10 absorbance units was IN FACT 9 ambient.
You fail to grasp that combustion dynamic with VVT,EGR, PCV traps nitrous oxides in the engine oil but it varies DEPENDING on all those variables.

Just shutup and learn.

Edited October 1, 2025 by customboss

customboss · October 1, 2025

You won’t because Grumpy, you think everyone who reads the internet can know all things. You can’t.

Edited October 2, 2025 by customboss

Grumpy Bear · October 2, 2025

Assembly Tips

An Ancient book note this: "Does not the ear test out words. As the tongue tastes food?"

1.) What is the source of the information you are considering? Is it confirmed by multiple unaffiliated reliable sources? Peer reviewed? Compare what you read or hear to these other reliable sources. Was that information/process or method repeatable by an independent third party?

2.) What is the purpose of the information? Is it self serving claiming unique knowledge that is unverifiable? Intellectual property that is untested by an equally qualified peer group? It is meant to draw attention for gain? To steer you away from the truth? Motive, purpose...

3.) Does it matter? What effect does this information have on your sphere of influence or responsibility? You don't have to chase every rabbit down every hole.

Dad used to say, "Never be first the party nor the last to leave".

customboss · October 3, 2025

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Assembly Tips

An Ancient book note this: "Does not the ear test out words. As the tongue tastes food?"

1.) What is the source of the information you are considering? Is it confirmed by multiple unaffiliated reliable sources? Peer reviewed? Compare what you read or hear to these other reliable sources. Was that information/process or method repeatable by an independent third party?

2.) What is the purpose of the information? Is it self serving claiming unique knowledge that is unverifiable? Intellectual property that is untested by an equally qualified peer group? It is meant to draw attention for gain? To steer you away from the truth? Motive, purpose...

3.) Does it matter? What effect does this information have on your sphere of influence or responsibility? You don't have to chase every rabbit down every hole.

Dad used to say, "Never be first the party nor the last to leave".

F around and find out mean anything to you? You’ve shredded one engine keep being a SELF APPOINTED expert. You won’t change.
My rebuttals to you is for others. I’m retired make nothing from posting here.
Good luck.

Grumpy Bear · October 3, 2025

Once again, the scientific community disagrees that excluding background Nitration is an acceptable methodology. the sampling of VOA's above support that stand. Common sense does as well. The makers of the instruments that detect do as well.

https://documents.thermofisher.com/TFS-Assets/CAD/Application-Notes/D10256~.pdf

I'm now to the point where I let this go. I've brought the receipts. I've sounded the siren. Those that wish to believe the LIE will; and I am no longer responsible. It has zero effect on my equipment and I no longer have a reason nor a responsibility to continue this Nitration :bs: .

You want to believe that one man in 8 BILLION is the only one that gets this right? You have at.....

garagerog · October 3, 2025

15 hours ago, customboss said:

F around and find out mean anything to you? You’ve shredded one engine keep being a SELF APPOINTED expert. You won’t change.
My rebuttals to you is for others. I’m retired make nothing from posting here.
Good luck.

If you're talking about the 2.4 Ecotec in his wife's Terrain, Grumpy didn't shred it, GM did from the moment they went to GDI and low tension piston rings in 2010. They "fixed" the piston ring issue in mid 2013, so these engines don't start burning oil until 100k now as opposed to the 40k previously. Add in the PCV system that must have been designed by an engineer smoking crack and dope simultaneously and crappy materials used in the timing chain set and this motor was a pineapple with a self-pulling pin. I know all this because I've been a member of the Equinox/Terrain forum since 2017 when we drove a new FWD Equinox with the 2.4 off the lot. I was aware at the time of some of the 2.4 issues, but this was not to be a keeper, only a interim vehicle and I can't say that GM paid us to take it off their hands but the difference between what we paid for it and what we got in trade on the '24 LT3 Blazer with the 3.6 and towing package that I ordered was only $4K. Not bad for a vehicle 7 years old with only 45K well maintained miles on it. By the time I went to college I realized there would always be people smarter and stronger than I was, but I'd be damned if I'd let anything mechanical or inanimate beat me. I can't say if that's Grumpy's mindset or not, age and arthritis changed mine. On the previously mentioned forum I've only seen 2 of these 2.4 POStec's make it past 300K, and those were pretty much exclusively highway cars driven for work, not grocery getters. In both cases those engines were using so much oil that they were self-changing, only a filter was required once in awhile. With this said, I would say that Grumpy is doing an exemplary job of keeping his wife's 2.4 POStec going as far as he has with so little oil loss. Although I think an apology is in order, I think the 2 of you are way past that, so I'll let it go. Sometime maybe I'll ask Grumpy if it's his goal to pass that 300K mile mark in his wife's Terrain.

Grumpy Bear · October 4, 2025

8 hours ago, garagerog said:

On the previously mentioned forum I've only seen 2 of these 2.4 POStec's make it past 300K, and those were pretty much exclusively highway cars driven for work, not grocery getters. In both cases those engines were using so much oil that they were self-changing, only a filter was required once in awhile. With this said, I would say that Grumpy is doing an exemplary job of keeping his wife's 2.4 POStec going as far as he has with so little oil loss.

Yes 300K is the goal. Will I make it? 276K isn't that far off so yea, I already did. :thumbs: That would make 3 units you know of and yea, that would make me somewhat of an expert on this piece of junk. Still has the OEM timing chain in it running silent as a church mouse. Fact is, if you heard it run you wouldn't know it wasn't new.

This was not a highway motor. Only made a trip or two over 400 miles. Wife's work car and family northern Illinois grocery getter. About as horrid a service as could be placed on such a POS vent system. Most of it's life was trips of 25 miles or less.

I've gotten this far in spite of Dyson's advice or any help from GM; not because of. I wouldn't let either of them service a Radio Flyer. If I had followed the book this motor would have been buried by a 100K. If I'd not enlisted Dyson I would have saved it. Hind site is truly 20/20. My only shortcoming was trusting either of them.

customboss · October 4, 2025

11 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

. If I'd not enlisted Dyson I would have saved it.

Let’s see….. DysonAnalysis operated for 45 years and worked with and for Cummins, Valvoline, DOD, major law firms, GM Oldsmobile road racing, HD, Detroit Diesel, Chrysler, World of Outlaws, founded BITOG with Bob Winters, American Airlines fuel’s and oil analysis program, Bobby Allison racing to name a few. ONLY Marty Nissen of Illinois retired solvent mixer, called Grumpy Bear here is unhappy. Plus he got discounts on his analysis work 5 years ago.
Not bad odds over nearly 50 years of service.
I even took Grumpy to lunch in Illinois when coming back my mother in laws funeral in Indiana.
Grumpy is eternally upset and a miscreant online. Very nice when I was facing him and buying! LOL.

KARNUT · October 4, 2025

2011 Genesis 150K 4K oil changes 2016 Odyssey 160K, 127K, 10K oil changes 127K and beyond 5K oil changes. 2010 Ridgeline 8-10K oil changes to 160K miles next 7K miles 1 oil change now at 5K oil changes. 2016 CRV first 7 years and 7K miles no oil change. Next 40K miles 5K oil changes. At 47K miles until 100K 10K oil changes. 2010 Mazda 3 200K plus miles, Mazdas recommended oil changes. 2002 Avalanche 190K 4K oil changes. 2017 Camry going past 150K @Toyotas recommended changes. My cars the ones with over 5K oil changes the Grandkids drive. Brother in laws Yukon 2008 257K, Yukon 2013 175K 5K oil changes. None use oil. I personally don’t see any reason to change to more frequent oil changes. My oldest vehicles will probably fall apart from age rather than engines using oil.

KARNUT · October 5, 2025

7 hours ago, KARNUT said:

2011 Genesis 150K 4K oil changes 2016 Odyssey 160K, 127K, 10K oil changes 127K and beyond 5K oil changes. 2010 Ridgeline 8-10K oil changes to 160K miles next 7K miles 1 oil change now at 5K oil changes. 2016 CRV first 7 years and 7K miles no oil change. Next 40K miles 5K oil changes. At 47K miles until 100K 10K oil changes. 2010 Mazda 3 200K plus miles, Mazdas recommended oil changes. 2002 Avalanche 190K 4K oil changes. 2017 Camry going past 150K @Toyotas recommended changes. My cars the ones with over 5K oil changes the Grandkids drive. Brother in laws Yukon 2008 257K, Yukon 2013 175K 5K oil changes. None use oil. I personally don’t see any reason to change to more frequent oil changes. My oldest vehicles will probably fall apart from age rather than engines using oil.

Oops I forgot our first Hyundai my grandson drives now 05 Elantra 7500K oil changes from new. Last I checked around 140K miles. My grandson doesn’t take care of it at all. But she still goes and doesn’t use oil.

Grumpy Bear · November 12, 2025

On 10/3/2025 at 2:32 PM, garagerog said:

....On the previously mentioned forum I've only seen 2 of these 2.4 POStec's make it past 300K, and those were pretty much exclusively highway cars driven for work, not grocery getters. In both cases those engines were using so much oil that they were self-changing, only a filter was required once in awhile. With this said, I would say that Grumpy is doing an exemplary job of keeping his wife's 2.4 POStec going as far as he has with so little oil loss....

I've read and reread this rebuttal post and the quote imbedded over and over and over. It says volumes more than the words that make it up in what it doesn't say but implies.

Both state facts. Both are largely true given each persons starting point. But they both come from vastly different frames of reference and it is that reference that is the hinge of all arguments between @customboss and myself.

Terry sees things as they 'ought to be'. His observation that I "shredded one motor" is rooted in that frame of reference and if that reference were true it implies I did something, or perhaps nothing I ought for the 80 thousand miles it ran as it ought. Truth is I changed oil of the OEM recommended grade and of the DEXOS licensing actually 66% more often than the OEM schedule and yet it still failed. I shredded nothing. I did as I was told. Truth is the motors ring and PVC vent flaws are NOT AS THE OUGHT BE. (caps for emphasis not yelling) Truth is, if things were as the ought his advice would have be solid.

@garagerog points that out. Roger sees things 'AS THEY ARE' in a rearview mirror historical way. In doing that he not only acknowledges the problem, ring design and vent design, but provides the most common outcomes and two examples of less common outcomes and finally observes Dizzy set a new bar in absolute result.

From 'as it ought be' to "what it is", Dizzy and her caregiver goes from zero to hero. Abject failure to unmitigated success. Base on what? Base on a shift in REFERENCE.

This constant fight over point of reference was and is a constant distraction preventing others from seeing the method and reasoning that lead to a most unusual outcome of reaching the 300K goal and staying inside the ever shifting oil consumption limits regarded as 'NORMAL" by the OEM.

True, I also live in the world Terry does. "As it Ought be"....most of the time....until I am forced out of that reference by 'What it Is'. Now I find this curious given his experience with the CUMMINs ISX15 and a failure in flexibility for myself. It is how I made my living. I do not have a ridged reference point based on historical norms. Seems I'm loosing my edge.

I do not need nor do I want an apology. But I will extend one.

My comments "I reached success In spite of your counsel" lacks the same grace and latitude in/of reference point I have demanded of you. I rigidly held on to the "as it ought be" far to long and reacted way to slow to what it was. You were simply being you.

I apologize.

KARNUT · November 12, 2025

My experience through reading and life experiences are time and mileage are equally important for satisfying vehicle ownership. A person who drives lots of miles mostly on freeways can easily reach 300k miles. Low mileage drivers 10-15K a year 10-15 years of trouble free driving can be possible. That of course depends on the vehicle brand. And diligent maintenance. I have two vehicles that have lived low mileage in climate controlled environment. Things still wear out plastic and rubber. Stuff that will strand you. Three of my pristine looking vehicles under 200K miles but over 15 years old. Will not leave town. The other with the same mileage but 9 years old will with confidence.

customboss · November 12, 2025

1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

I've read and reread this rebuttal post and the quote imbedded over and over and over. It says volumes more than the words that make it up in what it doesn't say but implies.

Both state facts. Both are largely true given each persons starting point. But they both come from vastly different frames of reference and it is that reference that is the hinge of all arguments between @customboss and myself.

Terry sees things as they 'ought to be'. His observation that I "shredded one motor" is rooted in that frame of reference and if that reference were true it implies I did something, or perhaps nothing I ought for the 80 thousand miles it ran as it ought. Truth is I changed oil of the OEM recommended grade and of the DEXOS licensing actually 66% more often than the OEM schedule and yet it still failed. I shredded nothing. I did as I was told. Truth is the motors ring and PVC vent flaws are NOT AS THE OUGHT BE. (caps for emphasis not yelling) Truth is, if things were as the ought his advice would have be solid.

@garagerog points that out. Roger sees things 'AS THEY ARE' in a rearview mirror historical way. In doing that he not only acknowledges the problem, ring design and vent design, but provides the most common outcomes and two examples of less common outcomes and finally observes Dizzy set a new bar in absolute result.

From 'as it ought be' to "what it is", Dizzy and her caregiver goes from zero to hero. Abject failure to unmitigated success. Base on what? Base on a shift in REFERENCE.

This constant fight over point of reference was and is a constant distraction preventing others from seeing the method and reasoning that lead to a most unusual outcome of reaching the 300K goal and staying inside the ever shifting oil consumption limits regarded as 'NORMAL" by the OEM.

True, I also live in the world Terry does. "As it Ought be"....most of the time....until I am forced out of that reference by 'What it Is'. Now I find this curious given his experience with the CUMMINs ISX15 and a failure in flexibility for myself. It is how I made my living. I do not have a ridged reference point based on historical norms. Seems I'm loosing my edge.

I do not need nor do I want an apology. But I will extend one.

My comments "I reached success In spite of your counsel" lacks the same grace and latitude in/of reference point I have demanded of you. I rigidly held on to the "as it ought be" far to long and reacted way to slow to what it was. You were simply being you.

I apologize.