Dyno testing Amsoil against other oils.

[OnTheReel]

I get what you’re saying and even for the segment this SBC was fairly mild. If they didn’t put a soft cam in it, you could plop it in a Silverado and hit 300k on Walmart oil. Something more modern and “stressed” would probably do more to separate the men from the boys in the test.
 

But that’s why you may as well just test products in your own engine and find what works for your platform and usage. Deciding your favorite oil solely via YouTube is no different than picking your favorite flavor of ice cream after only looking at the carton.

[Chuck FB]

22 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:

I get what you’re saying and even for the segment this SBC was fairly mild. If they didn’t put a soft cam in it, you could plop it in a Silverado and hit 300k on Walmart oil. Something more modern and “stressed” would probably do more to separate the men from the boys in the test.
 

But that’s why you may as well just test products in your own engine and find what works for your platform and usage. Deciding your favorite oil solely via YouTube is no different than picking your favorite flavor of ice cream after only looking at the carton.

 

And that is why such forums like this or other means of being able to see a variety of UOA with the same or similar concept engines can possibly help narrow down to a short list of oil brands and also viscosities if that is also being experimented with and possibly save a lot of expense with testing as well as avoiding an oil that is well back in the pack. 

 

I believe you mentioned how many UOA you did with just your 6.2 hemi and all I can say is I hope you were getting a good deal on volume ! LOL. I am almost afraid to ask these days around here in Canada as to what an oil sample fee is as it used to be as much or more than what some have commented on here MANY years ago. The only place I had any done through was the CAT dealers system and that was for diesel engines, no idea what the lab had for equipment or not even sure where the lab is even located in Canada. I can't see there being that many labs in Canada. 

 

By the way I am pretty sure if I came across an ice cream carton in the store that said "Dingleberry Ice Cream" for example I'd carefully put that back on the shelf and walk fast away from the freezer and straight out the exit LOL. 

[customboss]

8 hours ago, Chuck FB said:

 

And that is why such forums like this or other means of being able to see a variety of UOA with the same or similar concept engines can possibly help narrow down to a short list of oil brands and also viscosities if that is also being experimented with and possibly save a lot of expense with testing as well as avoiding an oil that is well back in the pack. 

 

I believe you mentioned how many UOA you did with just your 6.2 hemi and all I can say is I hope you were getting a good deal on volume ! LOL. I am almost afraid to ask these days around here in Canada as to what an oil sample fee is as it used to be as much or more than what some have commented on here MANY years ago. The only place I had any done through was the CAT dealers system and that was for diesel engines, no idea what the lab had for equipment or not even sure where the lab is even located in Canada. I can't see there being that many labs in Canada. 

 

By the way I am pretty sure if I came across an ice cream carton in the store that said "Dingleberry Ice Cream" for example I'd carefully put that back on the shelf and walk fast away from the freezer and straight out the exit LOL. 

Try Amsoil labs via preferred customer option. Should save you $$ on lab tests. But it’s helpful. @Black02Silverado can hook you up. Testoil bought out a Canadian lab but I can’t remember the name. 

[OnTheReel]

8 hours ago, Chuck FB said:

 

And that is why such forums like this or other means of being able to see a variety of UOA with the same or similar concept engines can possibly help narrow down to a short list of oil brands and also viscosities if that is also being experimented with and possibly save a lot of expense with testing as well as avoiding an oil that is well back in the pack. 

 

I believe you mentioned how many UOA you did with just your 6.2 hemi and all I can say is I hope you were getting a good deal on volume ! LOL. I am almost afraid to ask these days around here in Canada as to what an oil sample fee is as it used to be as much or more than what some have commented on here MANY years ago. The only place I had any done through was the CAT dealers system and that was for diesel engines, no idea what the lab had for equipment or not even sure where the lab is even located in Canada. I can't see there being that many labs in Canada. 

 

By the way I am pretty sure if I came across an ice cream carton in the store that said "Dingleberry Ice Cream" for example I'd carefully put that back on the shelf and walk fast away from the freezer and straight out the exit LOL. 

Yeah, think I’m up to 10 UOA samples plus a couple VOAs. The sample rate will slow considerably now. I’m more or less turning her loose at this point, everything looks as good as it can be. Oil is a hobby, and it’s not even close to my most expensive one even with the testing. But that said I probably go too far some times lol!

 

Looks like wearcheck and CAT are a couple services still in Canada. I know we have a lot more options down here but you can take at least half of them off the table due to slow service, bad methodology and/or high cost. Looking at you, Blackstone.

[Chuck FB]

8 hours ago, OnTheReel said:

Yeah, think I’m up to 10 UOA samples plus a couple VOAs. The sample rate will slow considerably now. I’m more or less turning her loose at this point, everything looks as good as it can be. Oil is a hobby, and it’s not even close to my most expensive one even with the testing. But that said I probably go too far some times lol!

 

Looks like wearcheck and CAT are a couple services still in Canada. I know we have a lot more options down here but you can take at least half of them off the table due to slow service, bad methodology and/or high cost. Looking at you, Blackstone.

 

I must have misread something or it was someone else's comment as I had the number 25 in mind as per UOA samples associated with that particular engine, that's why I had a reaction as my eyes bulged a little. 

 

I've not heard of wearcheck and to be honest I never had asked the Cummins dealer that set up shop some years ago ( an actual Cummins dealer, not just an authorized shop scenario ) and of course even John Deere, never asked them either as all these shops and heavy truck shops etc would be using a UOA service every so often. In fact one of my nephews worked at the Cat dealer for a few years in service sales but he may have blead out all the yellow blood by now and have a more well rounded answer rather than a biased one LOL ( just like those that work at JD, their blood is green, I swear ! ). 

 

Blackstone is only in name that I hear and see get thrown around a LOT online, youtubers constantly pulling out their Blackstone UOA results and however good or bad Blackstone is themselves, there are variables in sampling and not flushing between oil types if they keep switching from one thing to the next and you can bet on it that they are not flushing almost new oil down the drain. So it can be sometimes hard to know how much truth to base in some random oil sample they sent in. And like I have noted Grumpy Bear talk about some of the missing test data that would be helpful in narrowing down the actual useful life of the oil without degrading the engine in the process. I've seen some of these comments shown on Blackstone results and almost always and no matter how many miles and shorter run abuse was put on the oil with plenty of use, "you can still go further, try another thousand or what have you miles". Are they looking at the point where the wear metals shoot up so they can claim yup, your engine is now failing ? LOL. Or teasing them with the carrot to send in another sample, to keep the customer on the hook as they reel in his wallet . Perhaps I am all wrong in that thought and that was with typical off the shelf oils, not the more specialized higher caliber oils like Amsoil SS and others that are in that higher tier group.

[Black02Silverado]

9 minutes ago, Chuck FB said:

 

I must have misread something or it was someone else's comment as I had the number 25 in mind as per UOA samples associated with that particular engine, that's why I had a reaction as my eyes bulged a little. 

 

I've not heard of wearcheck and to be honest I never had asked the Cummins dealer that set up shop some years ago ( an actual Cummins dealer, not just an authorized shop scenario ) and of course even John Deere, never asked them either as all these shops and heavy truck shops etc would be using a UOA service every so often. In fact one of my nephews worked at the Cat dealer for a few years in service sales but he may have blead out all the yellow blood by now and have a more well rounded answer rather than a biased one LOL ( just like those that work at JD, their blood is green, I swear ! ). 

 

Blackstone is only in name that I hear and see get thrown around a LOT online, youtubers constantly pulling out their Blackstone UOA results and however good or bad Blackstone is themselves, there are variables in sampling and not flushing between oil types if they keep switching from one thing to the next and you can bet on it that they are not flushing almost new oil down the drain. So it can be sometimes hard to know how much truth to base in some random oil sample they sent in. And like I have noted Grumpy Bear talk about some of the missing test data that would be helpful in narrowing down the actual useful life of the oil without degrading the engine in the process. I've seen some of these comments shown on Blackstone results and almost always and no matter how many miles and shorter run abuse was put on the oil with plenty of use, "you can still go further, try another thousand or what have you miles". Are they looking at the point where the wear metals shoot up so they can claim yup, your engine is now failing ? LOL. Or teasing them with the carrot to send in another sample, to keep the customer on the hook as they reel in his wallet . Perhaps I am all wrong in that thought and that was with typical off the shelf oils, not the more specialized higher caliber oils like Amsoil SS and others that are in that higher tier group.

Blackstone is popular because it was at one time inexpensive. But they have since raised their cost and now Oil Analyzers is less expensive if you are a preferred customer and equal if you are not. Plus you don't pay extra for TBN like you do from Blackstone. My customers have grown since Blackstone raised their prices.

[OnTheReel]

1 hour ago, Chuck FB said:

 

I must have misread something or it was someone else's comment as I had the number 25 in mind as per UOA samples associated with that particular engine, that's why I had a reaction as my eyes bulged a little. 

 

I've not heard of wearcheck and to be honest I never had asked the Cummins dealer that set up shop some years ago ( an actual Cummins dealer, not just an authorized shop scenario ) and of course even John Deere, never asked them either as all these shops and heavy truck shops etc would be using a UOA service every so often. In fact one of my nephews worked at the Cat dealer for a few years in service sales but he may have blead out all the yellow blood by now and have a more well rounded answer rather than a biased one LOL ( just like those that work at JD, their blood is green, I swear ! ). 

 

Blackstone is only in name that I hear and see get thrown around a LOT online, youtubers constantly pulling out their Blackstone UOA results and however good or bad Blackstone is themselves, there are variables in sampling and not flushing between oil types if they keep switching from one thing to the next and you can bet on it that they are not flushing almost new oil down the drain. So it can be sometimes hard to know how much truth to base in some random oil sample they sent in. And like I have noted Grumpy Bear talk about some of the missing test data that would be helpful in narrowing down the actual useful life of the oil without degrading the engine in the process. I've seen some of these comments shown on Blackstone results and almost always and no matter how many miles and shorter run abuse was put on the oil with plenty of use, "you can still go further, try another thousand or what have you miles". Are they looking at the point where the wear metals shoot up so they can claim yup, your engine is now failing ? LOL. Or teasing them with the carrot to send in another sample, to keep the customer on the hook as they reel in his wallet . Perhaps I am all wrong in that thought and that was with typical off the shelf oils, not the more specialized higher caliber oils like Amsoil SS and others that are in that higher tier group.

Blackstone is good for telling people what they want to hear. Like the BITOG people trying to wring every mile out of oil. Hey, TBN over 1? Keep running! Viscosity lower than the SAE J300 range for the grade? No problem, we created our own range!

 

High cost, slow processing times and a massive blind spot by inferring fuel dilution via flash point.

[Chuck FB]

1 hour ago, OnTheReel said:

Blackstone is good for telling people what they want to hear. Like the BITOG people trying to wring every mile out of oil. Hey, TBN over 1? Keep running! Viscosity lower than the SAE J300 range for the grade? No problem, we created our own range!

 

High cost, slow processing times and a massive blind spot by inferring fuel dilution via flash point.

 

I recall seeing the comment on this forum about the issue of some lab results not testing properly for fuel dilution so was a guessed effort, now its sinking in as to how they used some correlation ( although I assume not very accurate ) to do one test and create a number for another test at the same time.

 

Then that viscosity range bs, I had not grasped before if that was an industry wide acceptance of playing the numbers lower to jive with what I call the Dexos game of lowering the viscosity to the bottom of the historically created and accepted ranges for each top end numbered viscosity, but your saying its Blackstone who has shifted the numbers that they pulled out of their butt ?. It must be an amazing discovery to be able to change the laws of physics !. 

 

Speaking of fuel dilution, that was the very reason I sent out a sample some years ago from a JD tractor we had acquired and I had this suspicion that it was fuel in the oil so I sent the sample through Cat and the lab sent me the results and sure enough it was plenty high in diesel. I even called the lab and talked to one of the staff about my sample and he said that the JD engine of that series is well known to them or in the industry ( and probably similar themed engines ) to have that issue and that idling time is certainly a fair part of the culprit. Unfortunately due to the type of use scenario that is what happens when a seed tool is parked to refill the air drill tanks with product and its the tractor hydraulics required to run the auger, or when stopping to check seed depth its completely impractical to shut it off as there would have to be a cool down period and shortly after that it would be time to restart and be under load again. When applying NH3 its pulling up and being refilled by the suppliers truck into the wagon and its typically quite cool out and so idle up the engine and wait until its go time again. My only remedy and what the tech at the lab said, try to idle up when your idling and don't idle it if you don't need to and basically change the oil more often. I would have changed the oil anyway once a year regardless due to the hours accumulated relative to what I normally changed oil at on such units but in hours it was far less than the hours they claim one can run these engines at now because of the ultra low sulfur fuel content. So dumping out that accumulating diesel fuel and its got the stupid egr on it so right there is another good reason to get rid of that soot. But anyway the point is, I wanted to know if it was diesel contamination and how much, well Cat told me because they more than likely did the proper test. 

[customboss]

15 hours ago, OnTheReel said:

Blackstone is good for telling people what they want to hear. Like the BITOG people trying to wring every mile out of oil. Hey, TBN over 1? Keep running! Viscosity lower than the SAE J300 range for the grade? No problem, we created our own range!

 

High cost, slow processing times and a massive blind spot by inferring fuel dilution via flash point.

I interpreted BKlabs data for years for cheap customers who wanted more insight from that data. My data base could be used to correlate the flash, insolubles, wear to better data of similar genome and get a good interpretation for the customer. 
interpretations of crappy data is possible. 

[OnTheReel]

13 hours ago, Chuck FB said:

Then that viscosity range bs, I had not grasped before if that was an industry wide acceptance of playing the numbers lower to jive with what I call the Dexos game of lowering the viscosity to the bottom of the historically created and accepted ranges for each top end numbered viscosity, but your saying its Blackstone who has shifted the numbers that they pulled out of their butt ?. It must be an amazing discovery to be able to change the laws of physics !. 

Wouldn’t quite say out of their butt, the range is pulled from their database. But it’s basically an acceptance / normalization that practically no shelf oil ever stays in the actual J300 spec and that the owner shouldn’t care.

 

1 hour ago, customboss said:

I interpreted BKlabs data for years for cheap customers who wanted more insight from that data. My data base could be used to correlate the flash, insolubles, wear to better data of similar genome and get a good interpretation for the customer. 
interpretations of crappy data is possible. 

If they cared enough to pay you already what’s a few more bucks to just get good data to work with. Makes no sense. 

[Black02Silverado]

22 hours ago, OnTheReel said:

If they cared enough to pay you already what’s a few more bucks to just get good data to work with. Makes no sense. 

They don't want to spend it, unless they really want it, like paying $80k for a fully loaded truck and then use the least expensive oil and fuel in it that they can get. Most of these seem to be those that trade every two to three years and are in dept for life.  They don't care.

[customboss]

Important info. Engine oil = Hydraulic fluid 

 

Once again he gets most of the info correct but then screws up some basic physics, kinda like others here.  See my comments in follow up below and posted at his YTUBE page.  Note I have funded some of his testing. 

 

Edited December 20, 2025 by customboss

[customboss]

39 minutes ago, customboss said:

Important info. Engine oil = Hydraulic fluid 

 

Unless physics have changed, liquid filtration IS NOT MORE EFFICIENT WITH TIME NOR CAN IT FORM “CAKE”, Your video is fantastic but promoting a false narrative about liquid filtration. You might have a high capacity oil filter that holds more grams of debris but efficiency is made by media ability to change direction of flow and throw particles and debris into media. Capacity, efficiency and LIFE of a hydraulic or engine oil filter are separate areas of filter media design. Ask your Donaldson engineers to correct your commentary and understanding on this. Old oil filters are LESS EFFICIENT. I owned and operated DYSONANALYSIS for 45 years while being employed trained and retired from CUMMINS ENGINE CO. Research Center and am not talking outta place.

 

Particle counts on new engine oil in your tests vs 2 hour engine oil depend on particle size. If < 10 um and you see it drop on heat cycling new oil in the engine it’s ADDITIVE uptake and water cooking out of new out of bottle oil. It’s NOT wear reduction. ZDDP and ZDTP holds microscopic water from production and other additives adhere under heat to engine making what you describe in particle counts and ISO codes look better than they really are. Magnesium Sulfonate being used is also hydroscopic and same small level of water cooks out of it.

[Black02Silverado]

Interesting in this about break-in and oil changes.  I have always done early changes on our new vehicles.  First change at 500 miles, then again at 1,500 miles and then again at 3,000 miles.  This could be the reason our vehicles don't use any oil and UOA's show good results.  

[customboss]

4 minutes ago, Black02Silverado said:

Interesting in this about break-in and oil changes.  I have always done early changes on our new vehicles.  First change at 500 miles, then again at 1,500 miles and then again at 3,000 miles.  This could be the reason our vehicles don't use any oil and UOA's show good results.  

Absolutely Nick, its critical and why Jeannies Sube Crosstrek 2.5 H4 doesn't use any oil after nearly 16,000 miles running AMSOIL SS 0w16 and 0w20.