Off To The Detroit Auto Show (naias) Press Preview Days

Daryl LBZ · January 10, 2011

The Ford interior has GM's in a choke hold. We need heated & cooled seats. Something equivilant if not better to sync system. They need to fix the flickering light issues. They need to insulate the interiors of the GM's the same or better as fords. My dads 2010 king ranch 4x4 is quiet as can be..... none of the door squeeks or squeels, no road noise, even on my PM's 2010 fx4 with a 6" lift, 35's, and a one chamber exhaust its still quiet inside compared to any other truck. Little things dont matter..... but when you have a lot they add up. Point is there are competitors out there that have GM beat so we need to come back out with something better than them.

AND yes SOMEONE needs to come out with a 1/2 ton diesel. I will jump on whoever comes out with one first (GM, Ford, or Dodge) so come on GM!!

and coilover in rear

A guy I work with rode in my truck and said its alot quieter inside than his Dodge is.

you mean you are comparing a dodge to a GM??? lol yea a buddy of mine has a 08 cummins and his cab noise is insane compared to ours....... but even then they could all be quiet.

I had an audi a4 and that thing when you shut the door was solid...... you could tell that door was shut each time you closed it and that it was shut good. Could barely hear the exhaust i put on it inside when rev'd up to redline. I remember thinking wow now i will know how quiet the cab will be on how the door shuts.

Haha yea I gusss I am. I know I hear a good bit of wind noise in mine, but I think thats from my Vent Visors and Hood Guard.

Zane · January 11, 2011

Had a really good chat with a member of the Silverado Team tonight.

I'll start a new thread with details tomorrow, but the short of it is this:

1- 4.5L Duramax isn't dead but the current cost to the consumer should it be offered as an option would be hugely prohibitive.

2- AFM Oil burning- He had not heard of this yet- however I was assured that they will be checking out the oil burning thread asap.

Hope this helps. More to come tomorrow!

oldschool327 · January 11, 2011

Had a really good chat with a member of the Silverado Team tonight.

I'll start a new thread with details tomorrow, but the short of it is this:

1- 4.5L Duramax isn't dead but the current cost to the consumer should it be offered as an option would be hugely prohibitive.

2- AFM Oil burning- He had not heard of this yet- however I was assured that they will be checking out the oil burning thread asap.

Hope this helps. More to come tomorrow!

Even with all the TSB's and PIP's it amazes me that a member of the team had not heard of this problem.

Thanks for the update hope there are more answers to come with the 4.5L

ColoradoSkiCountry · January 11, 2011

<grin> let's see if they are good to their word on "checking things out"

Prokopchuk_9 · January 11, 2011

Had a really good chat with a member of the Silverado Team tonight.

I'll start a new thread with details tomorrow, but the short of it is this:

1- 4.5L Duramax isn't dead but the current cost to the consumer should it be offered as an option would be hugely prohibitive.

2- AFM Oil burning- He had not heard of this yet- however I was assured that they will be checking out the oil burning thread asap.

Hope this helps. More to come tomorrow!

so..basically...they have the idea floating around but reaaally have no clue when, if ever... its gonna go into production. why would the cost be prohibitive? i doubt it would be more expensive than a denali, or a 3/4 ton duramax...like wtf???? kinda told you they dont know...in a corporate/politian way. am i right? or just not gettin it lol

oldschool327 · January 11, 2011

Had a really good chat with a member of the Silverado Team tonight.

I'll start a new thread with details tomorrow, but the short of it is this:

1- 4.5L Duramax isn't dead but the current cost to the consumer should it be offered as an option would be hugely prohibitive.

2- AFM Oil burning- He had not heard of this yet- however I was assured that they will be checking out the oil burning thread asap.

Hope this helps. More to come tomorrow!

so..basically...they have the idea floating around but reaaally have no clue when, if ever... its gonna go into production. why would the cost be prohibitive? i doubt it would be more expensive than a denali, or a 3/4 ton duramax...like wtf???? kinda told you they dont know...in a corporate/politian way. am i right? or just not gettin it lol

+1

Unless it is just astronomically priced as a engine, you could offer it in a SLE for a comparable price to the decked out denali.

This is GM saying yes we have it but we will not let you have it..............................Unless you give us your first born child

GM listen up......., Find a way to bring the 4.5 to the consumers and you will have a TRUE FIRST IN CLASS!

MS3DALE · January 11, 2011

Had a really good chat with a member of the Silverado Team tonight.

I'll start a new thread with details tomorrow, but the short of it is this:

1- 4.5L Duramax isn't dead but the current cost to the consumer should it be offered as an option would be hugely prohibitive.

2- AFM Oil burning- He had not heard of this yet- however I was assured that they will be checking out the oil burning thread asap.

Hope this helps. More to come tomorrow!

Even with all the TSB's and PIP's it amazes me that a member of the team had not heard of this problem.

I was thinking the same thing

Zane · January 11, 2011

I was going to type up a whole new thread this morning but right now I just don't have the time. So, instead- let me elaborate on the two questions from above.

- The baby Duramax. I'm sure you've all seen that the new 2011 "papa" Duramax needs a DEF system in order to meet EPA emissions requirements.

If you don't know what a DEF system is... http://autotechdiagnostics.com/?p=119

Basically, because of this EPA requirement for emissions, a DEF system adds approximately $2,000 to the cost of the engine. With that factored in, a 4.5L Duramax would be at LEAST a $5,000 option. Basically, you'd be talking about a light duty truck that could cost well north of $40k. It was explained to me that between the extra cost, fuel prices, and other things- the number of consumers who would actually buy a 4.5L Duramax wouldn't be enough to justify its production right now. With that said- they know there is demand. I didn't even have to ask the question and the Manager I talked to knew you guys were asking about the 4.5L. My personal opinion is to keep writing to GM and we just might get the 4.5L for the next generation truck

- AFM fuel consumption. The Manager I talked to was not aware. However, there is an active TSB on the issue that I dug up. Someone posted it on the forum last September, here--> http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=119671

I was promised that GM would continue to look into the situation and would even come here to the forum to see what problems people are having. With that said, my personal opinion is for anyone having these oil consumption issues to press hard on their dealer to get it fixed. Do not feel bad to push the issue until you feel satisfied. Burning oil on a new truck is NOT normal.

- New features, lights, sound systems, et cetra:

GM does not comment on future vehicle features or plans, so best I can say is keep posting requests. GM knows about this forum and does check it.

ChevyTech77 · January 11, 2011

Even with all the TSB's and PIP's it amazes me that a member of the team had not heard of this problem.

That is because he was talking to sales and design guys. Upper management types. You know, the guys that

don't change their own oil and are not even car/truck "guys", Read: business/management degrees. The guys

on the floor of the naias are there to SELL GM products to the public and media. They know little if anything of the

mechanical sides of things therefore, I wouldn't expect any real answers about issues like this. Notice how the

answers he got about the 4.5L D-Max were all from a business/sales stand point. I have to admit though, that

is the real reason that you won't see one in a GM truck. Well at least, not anytime soon.

sk · January 11, 2011

Trust me, I've been thinking about retiring my old truck for a new one also so this affects my desicion to buy
too and I'm comfident in saying that everybody "in the know" that I've talked to, says 2013 at the soonest for the CK2XX platform to be at the dealers as a 2014 model. Trucks first, utilities come a year later. It may even be later than that so I wouldn't sweat getting a 2011 truck.

Everything I have been hearing is that the LD trucks will be 2013 MY (at dealers in Q4 2012). As you said the utilities (and the HD trucks) will follow by a year, and Escalade EXT and Avalanche will not be continued in the K2x platform.

I also agree that I wouldn't sweat getting a 2011. At the minimum you have 2 years until the updated trucks (possibly more).

ChevyTech77 · January 11, 2011

Everything I have been hearing is that the LD trucks will be 2013 MY (at dealers in Q4 2012). As you said the utilities (and the HD trucks) will follow by a year, and Escalade EXT and Avalanche will not be continued in the K2x platform.

I also agree that I wouldn't sweat getting a 2011. At the minimum you have 2 years until the updated trucks (possibly more).

That was the original plan, as I was told, 6ish months ago until some unforseen circumstances in powertrain (read:

new mileage reg's) pushed it back another 8-12 months. Either way, we'll all just have to be patient. I can't wait

to see these new trucks on the scene going head to head with the rest of the field. I think they will affirm who

holds the upper hand in the truck market once and for all.

Nick The Great · January 11, 2011

I'd rather pay an extra $5k for a BabyMax than for heated cupholders and phony wood switchpanels.

Daryl LBZ · January 11, 2011

I was going to type up a whole new thread this morning but right now I just don't have the time. So, instead- let me elaborate on the two questions from above.

- The baby Duramax. I'm sure you've all seen that the new 2011 "papa" Duramax needs a DEF system in order to meet EPA emissions requirements.

If you don't know what a DEF system is... http://autotechdiagnostics.com/?p=119

Basically, because of this EPA requirement for emissions, a DEF system adds approximately $2,000 to the cost of the engine. With that factored in, a 4.5L Duramax would be at LEAST a $5,000 option. Basically, you'd be talking about a light duty truck that could cost well north of $40k. It was explained to me that between the extra cost, fuel prices, and other things- the number of consumers who would actually buy a 4.5L Duramax wouldn't be enough to justify its production right now. With that said- they know there is demand. I didn't even have to ask the question and the Manager I talked to knew you guys were asking about the 4.5L. My personal opinion is to keep writing to GM and we just might get the 4.5L for the next generation truck

- AFM fuel consumption. The Manager I talked to was not aware. However, there is an active TSB on the issue that I dug up. Someone posted it on the forum last September, here--> http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=119671

I was promised that GM would continue to look into the situation and would even come here to the forum to see what problems people are having. With that said, my personal opinion is for anyone having these oil consumption issues to press hard on their dealer to get it fixed. Do not feel bad to push the issue until you feel satisfied. Burning oil on a new truck is NOT normal.

- New features, lights, sound systems, et cetra:

GM does not comment on future vehicle features or plans, so best I can say is keep posting requests. GM knows about this forum and does check it.

Once again the EPA goes and screws things up for everyone else instead of fixing it. I wish those clown would go fall off the ledge of the Grand Canyon.