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Jsdirt Senior Enthusiast

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Explain what part of electronics I don't understand? I don't get where your going with that claim ...

 

Sure, if you raise compression to compensate for it's lack of "bang". There is no free lunch - it the truck is optimized to run on E85, then it is NOT optimized to run on regular unleaded. No fancy wiz-bang electronics can change the laws of physics.

 

I still call b/s on that claim. Unless I saw back to back dyno results using E85, and then unleaded, or vice-versa, I don't buy it, because it's not possible without engine modifications. So in your world, gasoline beats diesel. Just because the internet & GM might say so doesn't make it true. I don't see Freightliner or Peterbilt scrapping their diesel programs any time soon ...

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Go ahead and tell me some facts of E85 on fuel injected motors controlled by a computer. Maybe you should "look that up". We can spin this however we want for both of us to be right. The point is, there are benefits to E85 for horsepower and torque numbers, especially if tuned correctly. There are also engines were there are absolutely no gains to be made, you are correct.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?

 

My truck IS computer controlled, and it ABSOLUTELY loses power and mileage on E85. Are you telling me otherwise? :dunno:

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MikeNH Senior Enthusiast

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And who is saying gas beats diesel? Totally different circumstance. Your arguments are shit.

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Jsdirt Senior Enthusiast

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You are , by telling me that E85 is more powerful than gasoline. Its NOT TRUE, never was and never will be!!

NitroCherokee Enthusiast

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You are , by telling me that E85 is more powerful than gasoline. Its NOT TRUE, never was and never will be!!

You are making yourself look stupid, I am starting to get embarrassed for you. Please stop, you're wrong

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You are , by telling me that E85 is more powerful than gasoline. Its NOT TRUE, never was and never will be!!

Don't try to be smart with words because you're losing. E85 may have less energy density but it ABSOLUTELY allows engines made to run it to build more power. Especially turbo motors.

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You are making yourself look stupid, I am starting to get embarrassed for you. Please stop, you're wrong

Really????????????????

 

"1 gallon of E85 has 73% to 83% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline (variation due to ethanol content in E85"

 

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

 

 

Do you need more links on this? Just let me know. There are thousands out there .... just look for yourself.

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Don't try to be smart with words because you're losing. E85 may have less energy density but it ABSOLUTELY allows engines made to run it to build more power. Especially turbo motors.

YES - when the engine is OPTIMIZED TO RUN ON ALCOHOL it is NOT OPTIMIZED TO RUN ON UNLEADED. Like I said before, there is no free lunch.

 

Try to run regular unleaded at 14:1 compression and watch what happens ...

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YES - when the engine is OPTIMIZED TO RUN ON ALCOHOL it is NOT OPTIMIZED TO RUN ON UNLEADED. Like I said before, there is no free lunch.

 

Try to run regular unleaded at 14:1 compression and watch what happens ...

 

My 2011 ran fine on both. The new GDI trucks run fine on both.

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Really????????????????

 

"1 gallon of E85 has 73% to 83% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline (variation due to ethanol content in E85"

 

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

 

 

Do you need more links on this? Just let me know. There are thousands out there .... just look for yourself.

hahahahahah WOW, you're on your own pal..............

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Here;s some more proof for you E85 lovers, straight from my own window sticker. See the note on MPG for E85?

 

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NitroCherokee Enthusiast

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Really????????????????

 

"1 gallon of E85 has 73% to 83% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline (variation due to ethanol content in E85"

 

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

 

 

Do you need more links on this? Just let me know. There are thousands out there .... just look for yourself.

hahahahahah WOW, you're on your own pal..............

LongrangeLauber Senior Enthusiast

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YES - when the engine is OPTIMIZED TO RUN ON ALCOHOL it is NOT OPTIMIZED TO RUN ON UNLEADED. Like I said before, there is no free lunch.

 

Try to run regular unleaded at 14:1 compression and watch what happens ...

These newer motors are optimized to run both e85 and unleaded
MikeNH Senior Enthusiast

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Really????????????????

 

"1 gallon of E85 has 73% to 83% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline (variation due to ethanol content in E85"

 

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

 

 

Do you need more links on this? Just let me know. There are thousands out there .... just look for yourself.

 

No one is debating the difference in energy density. But that is only one factor. There are tons of things that effect power building. Manufacturers can make more power on E85 and run fine on 87 too. Fact.

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