BG44K fuel additive

Silverado-Hareek · February 26, 2018

13 hours ago, Darksky said:

I use a can right before each oil change. I also use their MOA oil additive in each oil change as well. I’m a fan. I went as far as to do their trans flush at the 40,000 mile oil change. The dealership has become one of their distributors and made me a nice deal on the service package. I have been very lucky with long term ownership of high mileage vehicles and credit these products with helping to achieve it. I will do the top end service with their machine and solvents when it is due.

just my opinion...

I just did a BG flush on my truck as well. 53,000 miles. I have not used the fuel additive for reasons stated above about not cleaning the valves. But I have done 2 BG induction cleanings right around the time I installed my oil catch can thinking that the cleanings would make the valves close to new and the catch can would prevent an future building. I also use top tier shell gasoline exclusively to cut down on engine deposits. From my experience, BG products are great. If I were going to use any type of a fuel additive, it would be BG followed by Techron.

Grumpy Bear · February 26, 2018

49 minutes ago, mookdoc6 said:

.....It's not a matter of if but when with GDI

Five years ago I wouldn't have given that a thought. Today....GDI has come a long way since 'if but when' was a slam dunk.

mookdoc6 · February 26, 2018

19 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Five years ago I wouldn't have given that a thought. Today....GDI has come a long way since 'if but when' was a slam dunk.

They require a little more than....Port style maintenance like...I drop my oil every 3K? There is no way around the everything that takes place with "GDI" it's inherent and do nothing the drivability and oil related issues will be coming! It's slow but actually quick process kinda like the marriage before it's brought to a halt?

I use BG now because GDI has brought me to these products.....MPI nope never in a million bucks would be using additives? Go figure huh?

Grumpy Bear · February 27, 2018

Page 20 Post #5 Video on GDI. Just have a look and give me some feed back.

mookdoc6 · February 27, 2018

4 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Page 20 Post #5 Video on GDI. Just have a look and give me some feed back.

Look, Grumpy you get way more technical than I which is fine and applaud it! Let's just be honest a few millionths of second on control of the fuel may help but in reality the valves are going to get pounded and the Carbon Coking will ensue no doubt maybe somewhat delayed but bottom line MFG's in my opinion are not forthright in being honest with consumers on the need to address the GDI engines over Port Injection with extra attention and service being required at intervals.......It's just wrong they are damn good engines from GM the ecotec line probably the stoutest they have made for small blocks all tuned and programmed to drive on the RAZORS edge. The least they could do would be to politely tell the customer to attend to the engine differently somewhat instead of conjure up a OIL SPEC that must be used for their GDI/TURBO engines to reduce the known issues associated with GDI'S........Just tell the freaking customers to use products to reduce the GDI Nonsense...Jeesh, how hard was that?

15 Z71 · February 27, 2018

I have said this before on here,I see how my friend at work does nothing to his truck but change oil. And back he never does that when it's time. Not saying these product's don't help but these are good engine's. He is at 85,000,no catch can, what ever gas he can find cheapest and has had not one single problem. So for all the people so worrid about these engines I would not worry to much.

Grumpy Bear · February 27, 2018

10 hours ago, mookdoc6 said:

Look, Grumpy you get way more technical than I which is fine and applaud it! Let's just be honest a few millionths of second on control of the fuel may help but in reality the valves are going to get pounded and the Carbon Coking will ensue no doubt maybe somewhat delayed but bottom line MFG's in my opinion are not forthright in being honest with consumers on the need to address the GDI engines over Port Injection with extra attention and service being required at intervals.......It's just wrong they are damn good engines from GM the ecotec line probably the stoutest they have made for small blocks all tuned and programmed to drive on the RAZORS edge. The least they could do would be to politely tell the customer to attend to the engine differently somewhat instead of conjure up a OIL SPEC that must be used for their GDI/TURBO engines to reduce the known issues associated with GDI'S........Just tell the freaking customers to use products to reduce the GDI Nonsense...Jeesh, how hard was that?

I should have posted the link with the post I wrote about that video in "Quantum Leaps" as well in the "Off Topic" forum. Highlighted above is VERY on point. Thing is mook...you can't get them to tell the truth because if they told you it would be an admission of guilt for the past or for the present, the load of which the can not carry. Mircosoft makes a living doing this. What this does is leave the consumer planted on the door step of the wolfs den.

Here's what we know. 19 teens. Decoking was done in barn every 1500 miles. Early on 3,000 mile decoking for GDI, 1930's. No draft tubes, no PCV systems and no detergent plus low mechanical compression ratios and BDC inlet valve closing. A cake baked to fail. German cars tried again in the 50's. More compression, later inlet closings, draft tubes and detergent gas. 10,000 miles. PCV valves were not even part of the equation when GDI was at is worst. It isn't an oil issue. It's a soot issue. Finely powdered soot from periods of weak incomplete combustion diluted with EGR for NOx baked on during the engine off 'hot soak'. The oil just makes it sticky and ugly and hard to deal with.

We went through this same garbage when lead was removed from gasoline. OMG valve seats are burning up right and left. Truth turned out to be, not so much...only if you were hammering the crap out of the motor, which is true for some motors like work trucks and plows, race motors all the time. And because it was true for a few it became true for all. I ran 60's Fords with soft seats 150K well after the lead was out. Point is the story was much bigger than the truth and what part of it that was true, was 'fixed' with hard seat inserts and yet chemical companies promoted 'lead substitute' additives at stupid cost anyway and the public ate it like ice cream on a stick.

The 70's fuel shortages sold carburetor screens by the millions that didn't do a thing but ice them up in humid weather. Rumors of 100 mpg carburetors and a GM plot with Colt Industries (Holley). STP, Stud and Motor Honey ring a any bells when the EP add packages were reduced by federal mandate? Octane boosters that maybe push a point or two for tripling the cost of gas before refinery figures out how to get octane without lead?

This isn't just a GDI issue. It's a game of liars. Those telling and those taking advantage of those lies.

These things get solved...eventually. Who and when???? Can't tell you but I can tell you that millions of Ecotec3 motors are issueless and many in the 50 to 100K area. Mine is one of them. I see 15Z71 offers another. Now just maybe that will come back and bite me in the a** at a later date and I'll look pretty silly. My bet is not. Both of these are far longer than the majority of owners even hold there trucks. If it does bite me later I'll tell the group. I'm not shamed by being wrong. It's how I learn.

Just say'n....I didn't buy your truck. I don't sleep on your pillow. Do what you believe is best but do it eyes wide open. Consider it without a summary dismissal in fear.

mookdoc6 · February 27, 2018

The debate rages on, and on?

#04-06-04-051E

We don't recommend anything to be added, but we acknowledge that this can be used for prevention and removal? Now it's pretense and past tense in same sentence? How dare they!

Depending on circumstances and Appliance wattage your brownies could burn anywhere from 8 minutes and up....Yet we recommend you check @ 6 minutes after that it's on you....

sk · February 27, 2018

BG44K is good stuff. Most of the BG products are great cleaners/conditioners.

If you really want the full effect find a shop that performs the BG Service. They actually force the cleaners through the systems (engine, transmission, power steering) with special equipment. It costs more but comes with a warranty!

Grumpy Bear · February 28, 2018

5 hours ago, mookdoc6 said:

The debate rages on, and on?

#04-06-04-051E

We don't recommend anything to be added, but we acknowledge that this can be used for prevention and removal? Now it's pretense and past tense in same sentence? How dare they!

Depending on circumstances and Appliance wattage your brownies could burn anywhere from 8 minutes and up....Yet we recommend you check @ 6 minutes after that it's on you....

Here's how I read this.

Top Tier gas will get it done. However, not all area's of the word we sell to will have top tier fuels so we have an additive...blah blah blah.

Actually the way it's written it is retroactive to the very first car they ever made. More of a sales pitch for the additive than a tech bulletin including all forms of induction. A pretty lousy CYA document.

mookdoc6 · February 28, 2018

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Here's how I read this.

Top Tier gas will get it done. However, not all area's of the word we sell to will have top tier fuels so we have an additive...blah blah blah.

Actually the way it's written it is retroactive to the very first car they ever made. More of a sales pitch for the additive than a tech bulletin including all forms of induction. A pretty lousy CYA document.

Nevertheless the date is interesting? Your Top Tier seems to cover it all! That is fine and dandy but we have a GDI? The video is cute too I like how "They" being the MFG's who actually over "Tincture of Time" fix the problems or "Urban Legends" have you? I mean they have adjusted the spray firing to proper milliseconds in a engine that is turning say.....3,000Rpms puts the valves opening/closing at what IDK....1500 times in 1qty Minute? Really, I bet it's pretty dang nasty in there and maybe more precisely/controlled than the Lead infused fuel days, but those babies ain't seated 100% each and every time when the Fuel is injected....Sloppy,Sloppy in there.

Course GM wants Top Tier and detergent infused fuel it's as it being used to fight the Coking problem. And like with all GDI'S it's a fight that starts early and continues until it's last days.....Injector tip starts to build up....spray pattern gets wanky.....Piston tops start to get caked....poor combustion ensues....Ignition tips start to get thick! Valves are being fed now by the your excellent carbon building byproduct from combustion chamber not to mention the stupid "OIL" drizzle coming down on them via "PCV" leaving a nice sticky habitat just waiting to commence once it's fired up!

Pull out your plugs...Grumps! Lay them all out on a table I will be able to tell you which one came from which Cylinder....#8 being the cleanest! I will nail the first 4-5 the cleaner ones get harder to generalize.

I will leave you kids with this to look @

mookdoc6 · February 28, 2018

This was brand new Non-Synthetic Oil ran for 12 miles never over 2000rpms and idled for 10 minutes with 2qty cans BG-EPR 2 weeks ago? This was after dumping previous Oil @12K miles I cleaned most of the pan out before dropping the BG-EPR Engine Cleaner "ADDITIVE" so some was left in pan before I dropped the Brand new Oil which you see in picture....I didn't wipe it so to speak just drained it so I could have room to drop the engine flush oil......might be tinge darker because of that and picture makes it look a little worse for whatever reason too.

Point is this was a flush on a GDI engine with 30K on it with perfect maintenance........Which I previously did 25K before on it.....That my friend is the good stuff, the upper end good stuff...GDI'S

Grumpy Bear · February 28, 2018

I repeat, I didn't buy your truck. I don't sleep on your pillow. Do what you believe is best and allows you peace.

15 Z71 · February 28, 2018

8 hours ago, mookdoc6 said:

This was brand new Non-Synthetic Oil ran for 12 miles never over 2000rpms and idled for 10 minutes with 2qty cans BG-EPR 2 weeks ago? This was after dumping previous Oil @12K miles I cleaned most of the pan out before dropping the BG-EPR Engine Cleaner "ADDITIVE" so some was left in pan before I dropped the Brand new Oil which you see in picture....I didn't wipe it so to speak just drained it so I could have room to drop the engine flush oil......might be tinge darker because of that and picture makes it look a little worse for whatever reason too.

Point is this was a flush on a GDI engine with 30K on it with perfect maintenance........Which I previously did 25K before on it.....That my friend is the good stuff, the upper end good stuff...GDI'S

My oil is not that black,I'm at 32,000 with about 60% oil life left. Just checked it yesterday and it was full. And no catch can.

diyer2 · February 28, 2018

10 hours ago, mookdoc6 said:

This was brand new Non-Synthetic Oil ran for 12 miles never over 2000rpms and idled for 10 minutes with 2qty cans BG-EPR 2 weeks ago? This was after dumping previous Oil @12K miles I cleaned most of the pan out before dropping the BG-EPR Engine Cleaner "ADDITIVE" so some was left in pan before I dropped the Brand new Oil which you see in picture....I didn't wipe it so to speak just drained it so I could have room to drop the engine flush oil......might be tinge darker because of that and picture makes it look a little worse for whatever reason too.

Point is this was a flush on a GDI engine with 30K on it with perfect maintenance........Which I previously did 25K before on it.....That my friend is the good stuff, the upper end good stuff...GDI'S

Direct result of your extended oil change intervals IMO.