Coronavirus

[The Zip]

4 hours ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

I heard that kids who get covid may not show the typical symptoms but some are getting some weird auto immune diseases after the fact. 

Have not heard or read this, going to have to check it out.

[The Zip]

The wife was chopping vegetables in the kitchen and I told her to slow down and be careful, we don't want to go to the emergency room.  Not for fear of catching the virus, we're maxed out what we can do.  But to ensure we keep the space open for the folks coming that do have the virus.   

 

 

[OnTheReel]

1 hour ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

Maybe it's different in different regions but, in my opinion, wearing masks, social distancing, avoiding unnecessary outings, etc. is not intended to keep no one from ever getting sick. I still see it as flattening the curve to keep the number of hospitalizations below the number of available beds. I suspect your strategy of just opening everything up wide and going back to normal would result in a yo-yo between wide open and fully locked down. With things in a phased opening and people wearing masks and such, we can keep our lives more "steady" but without the rampant outbreaks we saw in March and couldn't manage. 

I’m not even talking about springing the gates wide open, that’s another debate. My comments were specifically about opening schools. Which will result in virtually no new hospitalizations within the school aged kids, and very few within the parents of the school aged kids who are mostly in their 20s-30s. The numbers are very clear about this, pull from whatever source you want.

 

The fact that they aren’t open shows that this is political, not scientific. It also reflects that the focus has indeed shifted. It is no longer, as you say, flattening the curve. Closing things that were never to be on the curve in the first place makes no sense if that’s all there was to it.

[The Zip]

On 7/17/2020 at 9:13 PM, Grumpy Bear said:

Atheist says, "I only believe what I can see". 

Little boy says, " Do ya have a brain"?

"Sure!" the fella says. 

Little boy..."Have ya seen it"?

 

2nd Corinthians, Chapter 5, Verse 7,  ...

[Donstar]

1 hour ago, OnTheReel said:

I’m not even talking about springing the gates wide open, that’s another debate. My comments were specifically about opening schools.....The fact that they aren’t open shows that this is political, not scientific

Do you believe that "not swinging the gates wide open" should or shouldn't apply to schools?  A fully open school places a large number of people of a wide range of ages in exceptionally close proximity.  Last June, my province introduced a hybrid model which attempts to address the issues similar to what you and I mentioned in earlier discussion.  If your schools are being told to fully open, this is political and contradicts scientific recommendations for reducing spread. I'm sure I heard your President use language like "fully open"  but please correct me if this is not the case.   (I do hear there is lots of discussion at the various state levels and I'm sure safety will be the top priority.)  Schools (urban or rural) can open safely but not if they are expected to be functioning at pre-pandemic levels.  

[OnTheReel]

In the end, the president has little control over the matter, it’s being handled district by district here. Probably the way it should be, but unfortunately a lot of them have no interest in coming anywhere near fully open or open at all. Even in areas to which there is no outbreak to speak of.

 

I personally believe we can open the schools very close to full/ normal with very little risk. And the harm done by not doing so outweighs any benefit that might be realized.
 

That’s my stance on many other things as well, but the schools seem so obvious to me. You’re talking about kids who are Teflon to this virus.

 

Instead of dumping money into online learning that will still never work, surely we can find some ways to get it done while still talking precautions for the staff. Just takes ambition rather than sitting around saying there’s nothing we can do, better safe than sorry, etc...

[Thejet07]

So in NY the governor sets the guidelines. Then each district could formulate a plan within those guidelines. NYC is a whole other animal


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[Grumpy Bear]

This last million cases (World Wide) took only 4 days. How low can it go? 

India has a huge population and it seems they are having little success. 

[The Zip]

If this level of dysfunction wasn't happening in America right now, I would not have believed it could happen in America.  Let's agree the numbers are actually fudged and every test being conducted are 100% positive, does it really matter?  The numbers can be 50%, it doesn't matter.

 

We can't fudge a majority of ICU's and emergency rooms being near maxed out, regardless if the numbers are low or high.

Edited July 20, 2020 by The Zip

[davester]

4 hours ago, The Zip said:

If this level of dysfunction wasn't happening in America right now, I would not have believed it could happen in America.  Let's agree the numbers are actually fudged and every test being conducted are 100% positive, does it really matter?  The numbers can be 50%, it doesn't matter.

 

We can't fudge a majority of ICU's and emergency rooms being near maxed out, regardless if the numbers are low or high.

Sure you can.  You just loudly say:

 

It's all fake.  ICU's aren't filling up anywhere.  People aren't dying from Covid-19.  There's no problem.

[OnTheReel]

10 hours ago, The Zip said:

 

We can't fudge a majority of ICU's and emergency rooms being near maxed out, regardless if the numbers are low or high.

Uh, you kinda just fudged it right there!

 

“Majority of ICU‘s near maxed out”?
 

https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html

 

We are in a transition period to whom hospitals report to, but the last CDC numbers showed the national ICU occupancy at 61%.
 

If I can do a grumpy for a minute...61% on a test is a D-, not an A. Nowhere near the maximum.
 

And if 61% sounds high, consider this study from before Covid-19...ICU occupancy rates were in the high 60 percent range just on a normal year.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5520980/

 

Break down the occupancy further...even if you look at the areas where the ICUs ARE at capacity...at worst 25%-30% account for COVID patients. Bad? Yes. But most states are so far below that it’s hardly on the scale, less than 5%.

 

Like everything, context matters, doesn’t it?

[KARNUT]

Isn’t it amazing the screamers expected us to hide a few weeks then out we come and expect no increase positive results. At the same time testing increases. I’m one county north of Harris County, Houston. Our positive rates started dropping over the weekend. Hospitals are handling the sick. I have idea for schools. Go year round. Go two weeks, stop for three. Tests, modify, repeat. Don’t want to go, don’t, home school. It’s called choice. It’s want our country was founded on.


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[Grumpy Bear]

1 hour ago, OnTheReel said:

 

If I can do a grumpy for a minute...

Like everything, context matters, doesn’t it?

Like the Highlander..."There can be but one Grumpy"! 

Off with the head! 

 

Yes context matters

How is their chart on ICU beds?

[mikemcclain8]

Here you go Grumpy!

 

[OnTheReel]

7 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Like the Highlander..."There can be but one Grumpy"! 

Off with the head! 

 

Yes context matters

How is their chart on ICU beds?

They do not have a chart showing ICU beds specifically as it pertains to Covid-19 patients. As a whole, the ICU is 61% occupied, which is...normal?

 

If one feels that being at 61% capacity means the majority of ICUs are “near maximum”...you could have made the exact same argument last year, ten years ago, etc. Percentage is always in the 60s, even without Covid-19.

 

I grant there are hotspots that are damn near full or full. Doesn’t change that the statement: “the majority of ICUs are near maximum” posted in a coronavirus thread is not only inaccurate, but it implies the ICUs are full of Covid patients.

 

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-hospital-icus-crowded-with-covid-19-patients-as-coronavirus-continues-to-spread/285-aad0788d-256e-4454-8e3f-87f9c7956680

Only 27% are Covid patients. So if there was a graph showing Covid ICU patients, we can extrapolate that it would look close to the inpatient graph by the numbers. Hotspots in red, rest of the country in blue.
 

Also notable, Houston would be above average in ICU patients even without Covid.