Coronavirus

[Ithan Henry]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Shaun you know there is a block function, right?

 

I know but I won't block someone's opinion. If someone can't make a point without insulting or name calling, I'll make the choice to not do the same. 

[Ithan Henry]

3 minutes ago, Thejet07 said:

So here’s a question, is a vaccine really going to change things?


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That's why they're doing the research. I'll do my part and get one when they make it available. 

[OnTheReel]

4 minutes ago, Ithan Henry said:

It was never about the teachers. If there's a threat the first ones you protect are the children and elderly. We had no idea how the virus spread so we protected the children. The majority of teachers aren't opposed to going back. We just want the same protections you'd get if you walked into a Walmart, masks and social distancing. 

While I don’t think masks on kids are doable, the rest shouldn’t be a problem.
 

For what it’s worth, I didn’t mean anything I said to be a personal attack on you, just venting and sharing the general impression I’ve gotten from the teachers around here that have not done a great job and don’t seem to care. Many reports of them doing half-ass distance lessons and then moonlighting at Amazon to double dip while complaining of how unsafe it is to open schools. Teachers union doesn’t have the students best interest in mind. I could go on and on, but I didn’t mean to lump you in with them and I came off harsh. I apologize.

[Thejet07]

So there are several corona virus’. Why didn’t they have a vaccine for one before? And since so many use the flu as an example. There are several strains. People still get the flu. People get it even with a vaccine. People still die from it. Many don’t even go to the doctor for it so numbers are probably higher. When the flu causes pneumonia, how is the death certificate usually labeled? Food for thought.

Btw, I do wear a mask. Most masks that are cotton are not going to help. But I do it.


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[Grumpy Bear]

11 minutes ago, Ithan Henry said:

I know but I won't block someone's opinion. If someone can't make a point without insulting or name calling, I'll make the choice to not do the same. 

I don't block peoples opinions. I block behaviors. Anyone can slip up in the heat of the moment and make a mistake. Those I ignore with eyebrow raised. A second and I will let you know that I do have boundaries. Repeat it often enough and it's just your nature. I will enforce that boundary. No necessity is laid upon me to endure abusive personalities. We all react internally to abuse even if you choose to ignore it. I choose not to. That kind of stress I left when I retired.

 

See, we have different opinions and we did so with civility.   

[Ithan Henry]

1 hour ago, OnTheReel said:

While I don’t think masks on kids are doable, the rest shouldn’t be a problem.
 

For what it’s worth, I didn’t mean anything I said to be a personal attack on you, just venting and sharing the general impression I’ve gotten from the teachers around here that have not done a great job and don’t seem to care. Many reports of them doing half-ass distance lessons and then moonlighting at Amazon to double dip while complaining of how unsafe it is to open schools. Teachers union doesn’t have the students best interest in mind. I could go on and on, but I didn’t mean to lump you in with them and I came off harsh. I apologize.

No worries. I know there's teachers out there that suck. My wife and I were less than thrilled about what our son's school did. The district we teach in was light years ahead of others in our county. 

 

Distance learning is not the answer, and I know kids won't wear the masks correctly. At least if they required it for the kids I could remind my students 1000 times a day to wear it correctly.  

 

I'm already purchasing a few hundred cloth masks to have my students make their own custom ones using tesselations and other mathematical patterns when we return. Maybe if they make their own they'll want to wear one. 

 

 

[mookdoc6]

5 hours ago, Ithan Henry said:

This will be my 16th year teaching. And for the past 15 years, I caught some sort of cold within the first month of being in school. It happens because kids don't cover their mouths when they sneeze. They barely wash their hands, I call it "splash and dash" cause they're lucky if their hands even get wet. I anticipate catching Covid-19 when I return to work.

 

There are districts offering seminars on estate planning and how to create a will. BTW, this is in Texas. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texasmonthly.com/news/hisd-offered-to-help-employees-create-wills-teachers-not-happy/amp/

 

As for masks it's very simple. If they didn't work to prevent the spread of diseases or germs, then why do doctors and nurses wear them during surgical procedures? Hell, when my wife is receiving her CF treatments the nurses wear masks to prevent transmitting any germs to her. It doesn't need to be proven specifically for Covid-19 because it's already been medically proven and is standard practice for other viruses and germs. 

For the Medical training and journals I have read over the years...it's anecdotal at best?  We have been going the way of scrubbed wear one...not scrubbed?  No need?

Medically proven?  No, unfortunately I have not read that and would be interested in the study/data?  Let's keep fact based from assumptions? 

[Grumpy Bear]

10 minutes ago, mookdoc6 said:

For the Medical training and journals I have read over the years...it's anecdotal at best?  We have been going the way of scrubbed wear one...not scrubbed?  No need?

Medically proven?  No, unfortunately I have not read that and would be interested in the study/data?  Let's keep fact based from assumptions? 

First let's not take his comment out of the context in which it was given and make more of it that was intended, okay? A little common sense goes along way here. If it has been proven for other viruses there is no reason to believe it will not work with this one. That's the premise and that premise is sound. I don't have to fire every bullet in a box of 50 to know that the likelihood of all 50 are live viable rounds. Not even the medications you take for cancer are 100% tested to assure each and every dose will do it's assignment. Masks work at preventing particles of a certain size, not of a certain strain. That COVID virus is really small but it attached to a droplet of a size large enough to be captured by a handkerchief. It worked for viruses smaller and it works for this as well. Test or not. 

 

The powers that be have admitted that in the beginning when we were being told they did not work was a lie to keep what limited stocks they had in the hands of first responders. Yea, they lied to an ignorant audience. Their telling the truth at a later date says noting about the public's ignorance improving. 

[Donstar]

I worked in the public school system for 35 years and it is a huge mistake to fully open schools as normal during the pandemic.  There are hybrid models  that can address the needs of inadequate child care or those dependent on meal programs.   We need to address the needs of our vulnerable.  However, there is a large number of students who are able to do well in an in-home/online model of education.  Deviating from traditional delivery models translates to a lot more work for teachers and they need to be commended for their efforts to push for the safety of their students.  Like any profession, you will find individuals who don't belong.  I've dealt with a few in my career but never wavered in my high regard for teachers.  

[Cpl_Punishment]

16 hours ago, The Zip said:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/18/texas-babies-coronavirus-nueces-county/

 

This will be challenged on this thread, but doesn't matter at this point, just info.  85 infants in a Texas county as reported by the Texas Tribune tested positive for covid.  One under 6 months died.  If the report is true, kids may be the next shoe to drop in the country.

I heard that kids who get covid may not show the typical symptoms but some are getting some weird auto immune diseases after the fact. 

15 hours ago, OnTheReel said:

 And being asymptomatic leads to almost no risk of them passing it to adults.

I heard the opposite. And whether you think it's true for covid or not, consider that medical science has proven for other viruses people are most contagious before they show any symptoms. 

[garagerog]

This thread is a microcosm of what's going on in our country right now with this virus, we're being pitted against one another, mask vs. non-mask, wide open vs. shutting everything down, some of the social unrest is probably due to frustration with the whole situation. Is this divide and conquer part of a larger game plan? IDK, but I for one would like to see the anger and frustration directed towards the responsible party, the Chinese communist party.

[KARNUT]

This thread is a microcosm of what's going on in our country right now with this virus, we're being pitted against one another, mask vs. non-mask, wide open vs. shutting everything down, some of the social unrest is probably due to frustration with the whole situation. Is this divide and conquer part of a larger game plan? IDK, but I for one would like to see the anger and frustration directed towards the responsible party, the Chinese communist party.

Gradually stop buying things made in China. That’ll send the message.


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[OnTheReel]

1 hour ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

I heard that kids who get covid may not show the typical symptoms but some are getting some weird auto immune diseases after the fact. 

I heard the opposite. And whether you think it's true for covid or not, consider that medical science has proven for other viruses people are most contagious before they show any symptoms. 

Yes, there are distinctions between pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic. Nevertheless, research suggests up to 80% of children never have symptoms at all, which many believe would make the risk to school staff relatively low, and the risk to children as a whole virtually nil.
 

With all the data we have, if we still cannot find a way to get even the zero risk portions of the population back to some semblance of normal, the outlook for the rest of us is pretty bleak. We’ve gone from two weeks to stop the spread to nobody can ever get sick again. Sort of ironic when you consider all of the mental and physical health issues we’ve created in the process.

[OnTheReel]

2 hours ago, Donstar said:

However, there is a large number of students who are able to do well in an in-home/online model of education.  

The statistics simply do not bear this out, at least not in most urban school districts in the states. And even if it did, keeping students healthy is more than protecting them from Covid which does nothing to most of them anyway.

Nobody considers the mental health aspects of keeping children locked in their house with no socializing, and no exposure to any other viruses that will make them healthier and stronger in the long run. You also have kids in bad home situations where physical and sexual abuse will now go undiscovered. And we are seeing an uptick in child suicides as well.

As far as parents, many depend on the schools to “watch” their kids so they can work as an integral part of the economy. Most families who have kids in public schools are not set up with a stay at home mother or father...if they had means to allow that, they would be sending their kids to private schools from the start anyway.
 

If in-person teaching goes away for too much longer, we very well may end up with a bunch of unadjusted, socially awkward, unhealthy half-wits that will be afraid of their own shadows and incapable of working a real job. In 10 years will any of this have been worth it?

[Cpl_Punishment]

25 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:

Yes, there are distinctions between pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic. Nevertheless, research suggests up to 80% of children never have symptoms at all, which many believe would make the risk to school staff relatively low, and the risk to children as a whole virtually nil.
 

With all the data we have, if we still cannot find a way to get even the zero risk portions of the population back to some semblance of normal, the outlook for the rest of us is pretty bleak. We’ve gone from two weeks to stop the spread to nobody can ever get sick again. Sort of ironic when you consider all of the mental and physical health issues we’ve created in the process.

Maybe it's different in different regions but, in my opinion, wearing masks, social distancing, avoiding unnecessary outings, etc. is not intended to keep no one from ever getting sick. I still see it as flattening the curve to keep the number of hospitalizations below the number of available beds. I suspect your strategy of just opening everything up wide and going back to normal would result in a yo-yo between wide open and fully locked down. With things in a phased opening and people wearing masks and such, we can keep our lives more "steady" but without the rampant outbreaks we saw in March and couldn't manage. 

 

Admittedly, there are some people who will never get it. Every time my wife freaks out about "100 new cases in our province today", I ask how many in hospital and remind her that our health minister hasn't told us (and probably won't) how many beds are available but presumably she's watching those numbers and advising the premier accordingly. Whether he follows that advice is obviously another matter.