NHTSA expanding recall for these CRAPPY GM 6.2's

[johnnyquick]

Check out the recall expansion investigation on the 2019 and 2020's, mine has been an oil consumer in the past.

 

 

[Bikerjon]

4 hours ago, johnnyquick said:

Check out the recall expansion investigation on the 2019 and 2020's, mine has been an oil consumer in the past.

 

 

They should add cam and lifter failures to this investigation.

[Transient]

I love my 6.2

[johnnyquick]

19 hours ago, Transient said:

I love my 6.2

And for that I am happy for you, but many, many other people were cheated out of the same $$ you gave for yours or more.

They paid REAL money, they should be treated fairly IMO.

Lets see where it all lands.

I have owned 6.2's in the past and always been happy we had a Yukon Denali and 3 Escalades with 6.2's that is why I went with this one even TBH.

Cheers

[Transient]

I appreciate your honesty, but there is a difference between honesty and an opinion.  It would've been nice if the title had solely been informational, as opposed to toxic.  I am in that group of model years the NHTSA is now looking into.  I'm glad they are.  And, if I'm adversely affected, it is what it is.  I was already planning to prepare for the worst at 100,000+ miles.  My wife heard me watching the video and asked what I would do if my engine failed (again, ie, repeat of 2007 Tahoe engine failure caused by DOD) at 96,000 miles and 6 months out of warranty).  My response was simple:  Rebuild it stronger (deleted and cammed) and supercharged.  I'm keep the truck, even though I paid for it with my "imaginary" money.  It's cheaper to repair it than to replace it.  I believe in falling forward.  When you fall, it sucks.  But, get yourself up and in a position where you benefit from it.  Today, (to paraphrase poet Robert Frost) I choose to take the road less traveled.  Doing as the majority does, pissing and whining, hasn't benefitted me ever.  Sorry a simple opinion from a simple man struck a sour note with you.  It's just a shame that a comment that didn't tear anybody down, nor lay blame or insult, cause such a tirade of a post.  Have a good evening, sir.  I said what needed to be said in my original post.  Now I'm done.  Any reply from you will fall on deaf ears. 

Edited November 2, 2025 by Transient

[Tom73]

Here is some info from GMAuthority about the expanded investigation:

 

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/10/nhtsa-probing-gm-6-2l-v8-l87-engine-failures-not-involved-in-recall/
 

A new federal investigation now targets a persistent problem with GM's popular 6.2L V8 L87engine. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has launched an Engineering Analysis after receiving hundreds of complaints of catastrophic engine failures in vehicles that the high-profile GM recall excluded. This probe places a glaring spotlight on a powerplant that General Motors installs in its most profitable and popular full-size trucks and SUVs.

The agency’s Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) confirms it has received 1,157 reports of engine bearing failures. While GM previously acknowledged a supplier-related issue, issuing recall 25V-274 for certain 2021-2024 models, the new action addresses a disturbing trend. A total of 173 failure reports involve vehicles built outside that specific recall window, including 2019–2020 model year Chevy Silverado 1500 and GMC Sierra 1500. The continued high volume of reports from owners of these unaffected vehicles forced the agency’s hand. ODI stated this situation "presents a potential safety risk that warrants further investigation."

GM had blamed the earlier problem on "multiple supplier manufacturing and quality issues," leading to the recall. The closure of the initial Preliminary Evaluation, however, did not stop the reports of failed engines. The new Engineering Analysis will determine if the root cause extends beyond the previously identified supplier defects and whether GM must expand its repair campaign. This deeper investigation seeks to fully assess the safety implications for thousands of owners whose vehicles currently sit in a regulatory gray area, their expensive engines potentially facing the same fate as the recalled ones.

For reference, the L87 recall from earlier this year addresses a critical defect in the V8 engine that can lead to sudden engine failure and loss of propulsion, presenting a serious safety risk. General Motors launched this action following a federal investigation, ultimately recalling nearly 600,000 full-size trucks and SUVs from the 2021-2024 model years.

The core of the problem lies in manufacturing defects within the L87 engine's connecting rod and crankshaft components. Issues such as sediment in oil passages and out-of-specification parts can cause these components to fail, often with little to no warning. This can result in a catastrophic engine seizure or even a connecting rod breaching the engine block, destroying the powerplant and abruptly halting the vehicle. The remedy from GM involves a two-part solution: dealers will inspect vehicles and replace engines that don't pass. For vehicles not yet displaying failure symptoms, the fix includes changing to a higher-viscosity oil, installing a new oil filter, and adding an updated oil cap to reflect the newly recommended viscosity.

[johnnyquick]

2 hours ago, Transient said:

I appreciate your honesty, but there is a difference between honesty and an opinion.  It would've been nice if the title had solely been informational, as opposed to toxic.  I am in that group of model years the NHTSA is now looking into.  I'm glad they are.  And, if I'm adversely affected, it is what it is.  I was already planning to prepare for the worst at 100,000+ miles.  My wife heard me watching the video and asked what I would do if my engine failed (again, ie, repeat of 2007 Tahoe engine failure caused by DOD) at 96,000 miles and 6 months out of warranty).  My response was simple:  Rebuild it stronger (deleted and cammed) and supercharged.  I'm keep the truck, even though I paid for it with my "imaginary" money.  It's cheaper to repair it than to replace it.  I believe in falling forward.  When you fall, it sucks.  But, get yourself up and in a position where you benefit from it.  Today, (to paraphrase poet Robert Frost) I choose to take the road less traveled.  Doing as the majority does, pissing and whining, hasn't benefitted me ever.  Sorry a simple opinion from a simple man struck a sour note with you.  It's just a shame that a comment that didn't tear anybody down, nor lay blame or insult, cause such a tirade of a post.  Have a good evening, sir.  I said what needed to be said in my original post.  Now I'm done.  Any reply from you will fall on deaf ears. 

LOL if THAT was directed towards me then you should seek some professional help as pretending to be the "victim" is exactly what you are doing.

NO one said that you paid with imaginary money but that customers should have gotten REAL VALUE for REAL MONEY....

A "Tirade" of a post?  WTF are you even talking about did you read the post?

If you feel a truck should break down with very low  miles and only a couple of years of service for $55-75000 bucks then you are really the rarity as it seems the Government and the rest of the GM customers feel they deserve better.

Sorry, I HAD to scroll up and look for a "Tirade of a post" again...LMAO!

[asilverblazer]

22 hours ago, johnnyquick said:

many, many other people were cheated out of the same $$ you gave for yours or more.

 

They paid REAL money, they should be treated fairly IMO.

17 hours ago, johnnyquick said:

...customers should have gotten REAL VALUE for REAL MONEY....

If you feel a truck should break down with very low  miles and only a couple of years of service for $55-75000 bucks.

How exactly were you or other people cheated? What value were you promised but did not receive?

 

You should have expected a product to last 3 years or 36000 miles whichever arrived first or be repaired by GM.

 

That is the only thing your REAL money paid for. Anything beyond that is only worth... I guess imaginary money and you taking your opinions (I believe the going rate is $0.02) to another brand. 

 

Be advised - they only deal with real money too and the guarantees are quite similar.

[Atlas]

49 minutes ago, asilverblazer said:

You should have expected a product to last 3 years or 36000 miles whichever arrived first or be repaired by GM.

 

False. There's a reasonable expectation that an engine will last longer than 3 years or 36k, or even beyond the powertrain warranty (usually 5 years or 60k). The manufacturer isn't obligated to cover repairs free of charge beyond the warranty terms, though. That doesn't mean that people can't or shouldn't expect their engines to last beyond that. People usually  have no recourse if an engine doesn't last beyond that, however. And they can't expect the manufacturer to cover repair costs. Not unless the manufacturer is found guilty of some kind of wrongdoing or negligence via class action.

[asilverblazer]

1 hour ago, Atlas said:

There's a reasonable expectation that an engine will last longer than 3 years or 36k, or even beyond the powertrain warranty (usually 5 years or 60k). The manufacturer isn't obligated to cover repairs free of charge beyond the warranty terms...

Then what are you expecting/asking for? And for free? Is this a guarantee or a warranty? Are you willing to pay for that with REAL money? Are you sure everyone else is willing to spend more for a longer guarantee (or are you going to start your own car company that makes products for the greater good of humankind vs profit)?

 

A capitalist society is a race to the bottom of cheapest product for the highest price. There is no moral high ground here, businesses that build products that cost more for no tangible benefit (good luck justifying a higher price on the unproven idea that your new product costs more because it will last longer) inevitably will fail. How many businesses that DID are still around?

 

It is unfortunate that GM build an inferior product that didn't meet collective expectations - our recourse is simple, don't buy them or take the risk they'll make the next product better. Of course, you can always whine on the internet too...

[Atlas]

35 minutes ago, asilverblazer said:

Then what are you expecting/asking for? And for free? Is this a guarantee or a warranty? Are you willing to pay for that with REAL money? Are you sure everyone else is willing to spend more for a longer guarantee (or are you going to start your own car company that makes products for the greater good of humankind vs profit)?

 

A capitalist society is a race to the bottom of cheapest product for the highest price. There is no moral high ground here, businesses that build products that cost more for no tangible benefit (good luck justifying a higher price on the unproven idea that your new product costs more because it will last longer) inevitably will fail. How many businesses that DID are still around?

 

It is unfortunate that GM build an inferior product that didn't meet collective expectations - our recourse is simple, don't buy them or take the risk they'll make the next product better. Of course, you can always whine on the internet too...

 

Yes, I think since there is a manufacturing defect identified with 6.2's which poses a safety risk that the manufacturer should be responsible for remedying it. Either voluntarily by extending the warranty on the engine or by force, if the NHTSA requires a larger recall.

 

What you're ranting about isn't helpful to anyone who is actually affected by the issue who has to spend "REAL MONEY" to fix it, or be without a vehicle. They can choose to not buy another GM product in the future, but that isn't useful right now.

 

[johnnyquick]

On 11/3/2025 at 12:13 PM, asilverblazer said:

How exactly were you or other people cheated? What value were you promised but did not receive?

 

You should have expected a product to last 3 years or 36000 miles whichever arrived first or be repaired by GM.

 

That is the only thing your REAL money paid for. Anything beyond that is only worth... I guess imaginary money and you taking your opinions (I believe the going rate is $0.02) to another brand. 

 

Be advised - they only deal with real money too and the guarantees are quite similar.

5 years and 60k miles Bubba, Ram is 100k Warranty currently.

So, you honestly feel that the Govt stepping in as a consumer protection is BS? 

Or what are you saying here?

Every man over 12 years old (other than a Gen Z'er) knows that an engine/drive train should last WELL beyond your 3 year/36k range, WTH are you even thinking to post something like that?

When you buy a gallon of milk it should measure a gallon and be fresh enough to drink, if you buy a new set of tires they normally last more than 5000 miles, are you catching on yet?

Cheated means not getting the value that you paid for and have a reasonable expectation of, these engines and transmissions are clearly not adding up to that value, hence the GIANT recall notices, if GM were innocent and not knowing there is an issue do you think this would be an issue?

Cheers

[asilverblazer]

On 11/18/2025 at 7:03 PM, johnnyquick said:

5 years and 60k miles...

That's the guarantee.

 

On 11/18/2025 at 7:03 PM, johnnyquick said:

Every man over 12 years old (other than a Gen Z'er) knows that an engine/drive train should last WELL beyond your 3 year/36k range

That's an expectation - and I would venture to say that it has not been legally established as reasonable.

 

On 11/18/2025 at 7:03 PM, johnnyquick said:

When you buy a gallon of milk it should measure a gallon and be fresh enough to drink

Ahhh, a "reasonable expectation".

 

There is a difference between the two and lawyers and courts exist to determine that difference. YOU can take GM to court and determine if YOUR expectation is reasonable and that GM should be liable. 

 

On 11/18/2025 at 7:03 PM, johnnyquick said:

Cheated means not getting the value that you paid for... these engines and transmissions are clearly not adding up to that value, hence the GIANT recall notices, if GM were innocent and not knowing there is an issue do you think this would be an issue?

The GIANT recall ONLY exists because PUBLIC safety is at risk, it has absolutely nothing to do with value or being cheated. The government is not responsible for telling anyone how long a product should last, nor its value. 

 

The government does have a role in ENFORCING correction of public safety defects.

 

My ONLY point is that despite having an expectation that the engines should last longer than the powertrain warranty. If one (or all of them) doesn't, you weren't cheated and GM doesn't owe you anything. Until a court of law finds otherwise.

[johnnyquick]

On 11/20/2025 at 8:58 AM, asilverblazer said:

That's the guarantee.

 

That's an expectation - and I would venture to say that it has not been legally established as reasonable.

 

Ahhh, a "reasonable expectation".

 

There is a difference between the two and lawyers and courts exist to determine that difference. YOU can take GM to court and determine if YOUR expectation is reasonable and that GM should be liable. 

 

The GIANT recall ONLY exists because PUBLIC safety is at risk, it has absolutely nothing to do with value or being cheated. The government is not responsible for telling anyone how long a product should last, nor its value. 

 

The government does have a role in ENFORCING correction of public safety defects.

 

My ONLY point is that despite having an expectation that the engines should last longer than the powertrain warranty. If one (or all of them) doesn't, you weren't cheated and GM doesn't owe you anything. Until a court of law finds otherwise.

Well, all in all I see what you want and I am not giving it up that easily...lol

My truck was drinking oil initially, I ran some heavy detergent diesel oil through it and switched to 5-30 and 10-30 in the summer and that essentially stopped the consumption, my engine failed 2 excessive consumption tests prior to that.

So, I have not been as FOCKED as many but will contend that if you are an adult male over age 40 then you KNOW that an engine should last longer than that. (of course  you can try to argue that, and I said over 40 because under 40 seems to be the age group that has little intellect or ability in most areas, not all of them but most of them.) 

Here is an AI link if you want to try and debunk it, I as

you can see added with "average" maintenance not good maintenance.

"A V8 gasoline engine typically lasts between 150,000 to 200,000 miles with average maintenance, but many can exceed 300,000 miles with proper care. Regular maintenance, such as oil changes and timely servicing, is crucial for maximizing engine longevity. noblequote.com americandreamautoprotect.com

So I as well as others have the right to feel cheated if their engine craps out anytime before 100K miles IMO as that is a "reasonable expectation" of a products performance.

I even googled a Reasonable expectation for a gasoline V8 engine for my numbers to verify that angle as well as the AI and it is over 150k miles

GM having KNOWN of these issues was cheating its customers by continuing to sell them and even as far back as 2020 I believe dealers were being told to run the engines at a certain rpm for X amount of time to see of anything happened to them before being sold.

Definition of reasonable expectation according to the WEBZ..lol "Reasonable expectation for a product refers to the safety and performance standards that an average consumer anticipates when using that product. If a product fails to meet these expectations, it may be considered defective or unreasonably dangerous under product liability laws"

In the meantime I will run the wheels off of mine and if it breaks I will cry and whine on the internet.

All in all I wish you the best and hope that you have a GREAT holiday season.

Cheers

[Grumpy Bear]

A year ago I bought a new car which called for 0W20 oil. It had like 20 miles on the odometer. I asked the sales guy to have the shop change the oil (car was near a year since manufacture) and to do so with a 5W30. This car has a 10 year/100,000 mile power train warranty. 

 

The immediate response was "We will void your warranty".  I asked why naturally. They said because the 'Book calls for 0W20". I had a home market owners manual and pages from the English owners manual on me expecting this pushback which noted the home market spec was 10W40 and the English cars 5W30. "On what basis would the warranty be voided, exactly"? They repeated the "in the US' line of garbage. 

 

I reminded the sales person and now the service manager who has joined the conversation that the Magnuson Moss Law placed the burden of proof for rejecting the claim on the OEM and must be based on PROOF the product I selected was the root cause for the failure, meaning a failure has to have already occurred...meaning voiding my warranty out of hand was illegal  and actionable. He agreed I could get "all litigious' on them and I explained that not only could I but would. They pulled the waiver off the table they had asked me sign. Change the oil as I requested and noted it in their record. Charged me $100 for one of the eight free oil changes the contract provided, then went out of business less than six months later. 

 

Before I left I explained that I provided my own warranties and guarantees. "I guarantee that if I buy this product from you and have an issue you will not stand behind it will be the only Brand-X car that my entire family will ever buy from them. 

 

That explanation got me a new motor in a Honda Civic that had a casting flaw that didn't show up for a few thousand miles past the warranty (I had been bringing it in for ten thousand miles before complaining of coolant losses and water in the oil). I asked the look at my buying history. Three Civics in 15 year and asked if they would like this one to be the last. He took the keys and called me a week later...It turned out to be a "know issue" with a TSB they just tried to bully me out of. I keep receipts. 

 

Someone tells me so sad to bad that I spent $70K+ on a dead horse in 36,001 miles with a pending TSB and after winning that suit I take out an add and stop buying the mark. 

 

They will do what you allow them to do. They are good at frightening people and being bullies. But this is a case where law is in your corner and the suit is free when you win. You win by following the LAW and not the claim about what the law says. 

 

Reasonable is not a word in the OEM dictionary. Litigation is. I'm not sue happy but I am also not a door mat to be stolen from. 

 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2025 by Grumpy Bear