2013 Silverado 1500

[Daryl LBZ]

It was real unpleasant with the 4.8, no brake controller, and no trans cooler

How was it without a brake controller? Fun?

[Chris]

I wasn't the one driving, my uncle was so if anything happened to my truck or his trailer it would be on him. I was in the passenger seat and we were pep talking and rubbing the dash up and down the grades. That's where the beef up began back in 2011. Now, other than the gearing, it handles the toy hauler better than his Dodge 2500 4x4 Gasser.

['01LS1]

Guess we just have different needs and desires in pickups. The commercials sure paint a neat picture, but once you get one of these out on the farm, you will create new swear words to describe how it is for that purpose. I liked a '98 2500 I had before, but I did not have it since '03. This one.... I am finding more and more to complain about it each day. And I don't even have 1000 miles on it yet. Truly saddens me that the government bailed these folks out with mine and other's money. Nothing like being suckered twice.

 

It is nice if all you are looking for is a car and you never need to do anything with it but go to work and maybe haul some yard trash. Maybe use the 4 wheel during a snowstorm to take the wife shopping. But for much of anything outside the city limits and anything that remotely smells of work, better look elsewhere.

 

Every vehicle someone has owned back in the day that was not so bad becomes legend in the owners mind 10-15 years later. But somewhere there is a disconnect between what was sold & current reality. My old 1992 Chevy was a great truck looking back, but would not buy it spec'd the same today.

 

But what really gets me is how were you suckered twice? Were you not present when the vehicle was purchased? Did they not allow test drives or hide the window sticker? Were tow or payload ratings blacked out with a magic marker?

 

This is not like you to lay blanket complaints without anything to back it up nor you buying anything without doing research.

[foghorn23]

Sounds like he is comparing a new 2013 1500 to the 2500's he had in the past?

 

 

Yeah not only that but his 1500 is a crew with a 5'8" bed. Just wondering how serious of a work truck he was looking for a little over two weeks ago and how his truck is supposed to do the work of the old 2500 he describes. Also I can't understand how his truck "is the ultimate nightmare to work on," as he says it has less than 1K miles. I understand frustration; I just can't see how it has set in so quickly.

 

As stated there are other manufacturers of trucks (at least I have heard rumors). Maybe the grass would be greener on the other side of the fence??? Maybe a Honda Ridgeline would suit his needs?

[Cowpie]

Agreed. Sell it so you don't get fixated on being negative. How much did you test drive it? It seems like at least some of your complaints should have come out in a genuine test drive. Also, you're using it on a farm? Man, I would've gone with a 2500, at least, for farm work.

And what part of test driving do you think the dealer would have let me do? Borrow it for a few days and put it to work to find out what the problems were with it? Regarding having a 2500 instead of the 1500, nice but not needed for what this one has to do. It isn't the amount it has to pull, it is where it has to do it. A 2500 will go no more places that a 1500 will. And I have other stuff that make the 2500 look like your kids tonka toy. This one was meant mainly for the wife and lighter jobs that something larger was not needed for. I don't need a 2500 to pull a 300 gallon fuel wagon or haul 25 sacks of feed supplement from the Co-op elevator (the ligher stuff) and get my wife to town to pick up groceries, parts, and whatnot. You are fixated on power as what I am ticked about. It is not the power, it is the nonsense built into these trucks that one is not always aware of the extent they are a problem when sitting at a dealer. Like I stated, stuff on paper, or on a dealer's lot seems neat until you actually have to use the pickup. Functionality is the the issue and how productive one is. When all this goofy stuff they throw on a pickup causes a hindrence to productivity, it costs me money initially to pay for it, money to modify it, take it off, or disable it, and costs me time, which is money when something you have that you sometimes need in your business cost you more in time and downtime for maintenance, as like I stated, things are sure not simpler to work on than in the past. Those engineers sure know how to complicate the works. But then, few if any of them actually think that cows are something you milk, and indians are something in front of a cigar store. They couldn't tell a steer from a heifer if their life depended on it. So, to be fair, since they have no concept of what goes on outside the R&D section of GM, it is probably a stretch to think they could actually design a great pickup for working folks.

[Cowpie]

Yeah not only that but his 1500 is a crew with a 5'8" bed. Just wondering how serious of a work truck he was looking for a little over two weeks ago and how his truck is supposed to do the work of the old 2500 he describes. Also I can't understand how his truck "is the ultimate nightmare to work on," as he says it has less than 1K miles. I understand frustration; I just can't see how it has set in so quickly.

 

As stated there are other manufacturers of trucks (at least I have heard rumors). Maybe the grass would be greener on the other side of the fence??? Maybe a Honda Ridgeline would suit his needs?

I see from responses like this, that most have not a clue in the world where this is being used, what it is used for, and that I own more than just this 1500. This is but the latest equipment purchase. It's use is not primarily work, it is for the wife. But it does have to pull it's own weight around here and is needed to do lighter stuff.

 

Again, for those that seem to be having a problem grasping what I am disgruntled about...... IT IS NOT THE POWER OR THE SIZE. There, clear enough for you? It is the nonsense they put on these vehicles that are more of a hindrance than a help. It is a constant game of overiding this feature, disabling that feature, removing that part or feature, or wasting time finding a way to get around it. The stuff that is not so apparent when you drive it at the dealer and are checking it out. Backup cameras on a farm truck? You have got to be kidding. Can't ever see the picture it is sending due to mud, dirt, or water on the thing most of the time. I knew that was a laugh early on. Just waiting to see how long it actually lasts before it is non-functional. One of many dollars wasted on nonsense that you are forced to pay for since you can only get the feature you actually want if you buy the package which includes junk you don't. I just about took a punch and ball peen hammer to the parking assist sensors today. Even though I pushed the button to turn it off (and it showed being turned off on the display), the DIC still had a fit after I had gone no more than 200 feet. The extra time wasted doing simple maintenance, because some yahoo in the corporate thinks that everyone should go to the dealer so why not complicate the simplest of stuff so that man hours doing maintenance increase instead of decreasing. I realize some feel that tinkering and doing maintenance on their pickup is therapy after a hard week, and look forward to the latest Popular Mechanics project they can use as an excuse to crawl under their pickup, but some of us view it as nothing more than a necessary evil. And this ride is just the latest in a long line of things I have that need wrenches applied occasionally to keep them running. I go thru more oil in one year than most folks do in their lifetime. Heck, I burn over 26,000 gallons of diesel, alone, per year. I also go thru over 4000 gallons of propane, and I can't recall the amount of gasoline, as it is the least used fuel for vehicles and equipment. So try to make little attacks at me if you want. We play in totally different sand boxes, and yours is smaller than mine.

 

To your myopic point though..... the Honda Ridgeline would be no different. Loaded down with nonsense that some of us do not need. Since you took a dig at me, I will ask you something. What is the largest truck you own and operate and what is the largest piece of production equipment you own? What was your total outlay last year on fuel and lubricants? Until you get into 6 digits before the decimal point, don't even try to play in my sandbox and try to analyze what I need or want in a pickup. The dealer sure didn't know very well.

[kstruckcountry]

Then buy a GMT800 and quit complaining.

 

The new super duty at work has a rear view cam and it's great for hooking up. Wipe it off when you put your hitch in before hooking up. And I think the park assist turns off in Tow mode? It sounds like there isn't a single feature on this truck you want, so sell it and get something else. But I guarantee you no other brand has a less carlike half ton than GM. Go drive a dodge 1500. And if you want to rant that's fine, but this isn't some dick measuring contest. No one wants to hear about how you work way harder and have more equipment than they do. If you have so much equipment and burn so much fuel maybe it's cause you don't know how to choose the right tool for the job. You're not the only person on the Internet to think they're above everyone else.

[CKNSLS]

He is posting this on every Internet Chevy forum he can find. He was comparing it to his Freightliner. LOL! Let's talk about options. Bundling options is something all automkers are now doing. I am old enough to remember the 60s when you could order a stripped Chevy Nova from the factory and spec a big bad motor in it from the manufacturer. Guess what? Things have changed.

 

You want to work on trucks yourself-you better buy all the computers they now hook up to your truck when a CEL comes on. That is the only way your going to know what oxygen sensor (or whatever part) your going to need to replace. Hopefully, you will not have to remove half the exhaust system to get to it. This is the case no matter what brand you buy Ford, Chevy, RAM, Toyota, etc.

 

I had a Honda Accord for a business car. Honda IS THE WORST for what options they include on what models! YOU HAVE TO BUY a top of the line Accord EX to get satelitle radio. NOPE-can't get it any other way, unless you install it yourself.

 

I am with the others-sell it and buy something your happy with.

[Cowpie]

so sell it and get something else.

What would you suggest that doesn't have a laundry list of electronic features that are essentially useless and always expect you to do things the way someone in Detroit thought it should be done? Is there something in the class 1 truck market that has a solid front axle? How about a manual transfer case?

[Daryl LBZ]

I always thought GM's trucks were really easy to work on compared to other brands?

[kstruckcountry]

 

What would you suggest that doesn't have a laundry list of electronic features that are essentially useless and always expect you to do things the way someone in Detroit thought it should be done? Is there something in the class 1 truck market that has a solid front axle? How about a manual transfer case?

Already told you, GMT800. The reason solid front axles are gone is that IFS is easier to work on and better in practically every way. And why a manual transfer case isn't available as an option beats me.

[Daryl LBZ]

Already told you, GMT800. The reason solid front axles are gone is that IFS is easier to work on and better in practically every way. And why a manual transfer case isn't available as an option beats me.

 

 

I vote 2005-2007 GMT800.

[j-ten-ner]

What would you suggest that doesn't have a laundry list of electronic features that are essentially useless and always expect you to do things the way someone in Detroit thought it should be done? Is there something in the class 1 truck market that has a solid front axle? How about a manual transfer case?

I understand your frustration about the "packages" one has to take to get one feature he actually wants/needs. I see it the same way.

 

But as far I can tell you took a truck out of the lot. You did not drop an order for your specifications.

Every truck manufacturer offers bone work trucks. Even the 1500's.

Buddy of mine just bought a 3500 RAM dually, cummins, manual trans. It's just a truck he gets his groceries with and some farm work done.

The only electronic I know of in his truck is a cruise control, power windows, remote radio controls and alarm.

 

I mean he paid something in the 30 grands range but hey he's got a 1 tonne dually diesel! Brand new!

 

so long

j-ten-ner

 

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Oh, by the way...as a Heavy Equipment Operator I've burned my share of fuel too. And I played in quite big sand boxes as well...

[r1byker]

He is posting this on every Internet Chevy forum he can find. He was comparing it to his Freightliner. LOL!

[r1byker]

Hey Cowpie, is that really true? Are you really posting this same complaint on other forums?