Gun holster / mount

mzodarg · January 10, 2014

^^ Do Many folks open carry in Oklahoma?

I rarely see anyone open carry. When I wear my shoulder holster, I always have a jacket on. You have to have a CCL in order to open carry.

Mike

Stex · January 10, 2014

Thanks for the replies on open carry.

crushNchowda · January 10, 2014

The vast majority of people don't shoot their guns enough to place effective shots, and most NEVER practice in situations that truly mimic real situations where blood pressure & adrenaline are elevated.

Just because a person can plink a target at 25 yards in a standing position all day long, doesn't mean they'll have their wits about them when that target is an intruder breaking in at 3 in the morning.

Which on is really your bedside friend? Which one have you practiced going for? Muscle memory is key.

My Remington 870 is the gun I'm most comfortable with, most familiar with, and have the most practice hitting things with. Plus the sound of a pump will scare most intruders before the light will. I'm far more likely to defend my home with that than I am my 1911. And in the scenario of having to shoot someone, even a bad guy, the last thing I care about is the possibility of 2 or 3 of the 16 pellets going into the dry wall, spackling is easy - Plus, I'll be aiming for the vitals - so no worries about pesky brain fragments.

There is a good blog out there (can I name blogs?) that is run by former SEAL/RANGERS/Military guys and they talk a lot about self defense (guns & otherwise) and emergency prep. Makes you think twice about your abilities when these guys question theirs. They also talk about how bad guys take more than one round, even with a .45, unless its a perfect head shot they'll keep coming...good luck landing a perfect shoot under stress.

Hey I'm not saying it isn't a good choice for some people, just not me. I can get great groupings on my .40 M&P and that is actually what I do keep as my bedside weapon 90% of the time. I understand all that about being nervous, stressed, etc. but gotta think about how your house is set up as well. That's why I love my dog I'd know way ahead of time if anyone was even coming on the property let alone breaking in.

My dad was ex militart ex police (boston and MA state) and I know all about guys taking multiple rounds to go down if they're all hopped up on drugs, but come on man w/ a .45 hollow points forget about getting a head shot at close range like in a home it'll blow the thugs head completely off! I'm not exaggerating.

One thing I have been told is that a 9mm round isn't the best for home defense because it'll pierce multiple walls while a 40 or 45 will not

bozfour · January 10, 2014

Hey I'm not saying it isn't a good choice for some people, just not me. I can get great groupings on my .40 M&P and that is actually what I do keep as my bedside weapon 90% of the time. I understand all that about being nervous, stressed, etc. but gotta think about how your house is set up as well. That's why I love my dog I'd know way ahead of time if anyone was even coming on the property let alone breaking in.

My dad was ex militart ex police (boston and MA state) and I know all about guys taking multiple rounds to go down if they're all hopped up on drugs, but come on man w/ a .45 hollow points forget about getting a head shot at close range like in a home it'll blow the thugs head completely off! I'm not exaggerating.

One thing I have been told is that a 9mm round isn't the best for home defense because it'll pierce multiple walls while a 40 or 45 will not

Crush

to comment on you and JC's post, I can tell you this:

Situational training is the best, practice as if your life depended on it. I won’t throw a

bunch of credentials around but i have experience in this field. I never train by standing at (insert distance) and firing, Myself and my men are constantly moving, firing from odd positions, firing while smoked, firing and

operating our weapon with one arm tied etc. You will be glad you took the extra

hour to do these things when SHTF.

Myfirst time in a harry situation involved me doing a lot of looking and being

amazing combined with scared shitless. NOTHING can prepare you for a firefight

but try your best and you will see the difference should it ever come your way.

Mylast bit on this would be identifying places you can seek cover in your house,

office building etc, don’t make it easy on them. If it comes down to rounds

exchanged make sure you have the upper hand, use corners, and if on OPEN ground

advance on the target and show no mercy. In reference to the 9mm thing, that is

not really accurate (9mm is a devastating round), depends on the rounds fired,

the medium that you are hitting, and the distance. For instance if you use

Hornady Critical Duty it has over 16" of penetration in an FBI medium and

is designed to penetrate glass and light barriers. Without going in to mass

detail people many times buy rounds based on how sexy they are or what they

think they do. Don’t be that guy or girl, the standard round in the military

for 5.56 is a 62 grain SPR (steel penetrator round) it is a multipurpose

general round that can in perfect conditions penetrate steel. This round is

horrible at killing people and many people prefer a hollow point round. Sorry

for the paragraph just my .10cents, have a good day guys. Any question pm me.

glioma · January 10, 2014

Myfirst time in a harry situation involved me doing a lot of looking and being

amazing combined with scared shitless.

I agree. Every time I been in a situation with a Harry, the outcome hasn't been good.

bozfour · January 10, 2014

I agree. Every time I been in a situation with a Harry, the outcome hasn't been good.

Lol i see what you did there.

KUUG · January 10, 2014

Those are awesome for storage but if you need to get your gun in a hurry it's not so great

Keep it unlocked while your in the truck, lock it when you get out. With that said it's also not just for guns; just a piece of mind for anything you want in there.

JCthebigTree · January 10, 2014

Situational training is the best, practice as if your life depended on it.

operating our weapon with one arm tied etc. You will be glad you took the extra

hour to do these things when SHTF.

One thing I haven't done and haven't felt a great need to do is something that's been suggested to me. At the range (maybe do this when you're there alone...ha ha) set your gun empty with mag out, sprint 100 yards away, sprint 100 yards back, load, lock, and see how your groupings are...

Even if you're in shape it will be more difficult and can, at least, help simulate the extra stress of being in a hairy situation.

I don't know how you deal with 'Harry'

I'm very confident in my city and my neighborhood and have very little worries about a break in...but I have practiced movements and (when the wife's working nights) set my alarm for a random 3 am wake up, grab gun, aim light and barrel down the hallway, in attempts to ingrain the movements.

Our lab sleeps in our room and does not bark much, but will when something's happening...waking us up and ideally scaring an intruder.

At any rate, back to the trucks - If you don't need instant access, the deep pocket under the cup holder when it's in the back slot is a great place to 'conceal' things. Not that I would do this on public roads, but a couple cans of barley pop can hide nicely in there for when you're on private land.

diannabill · January 10, 2014

Never mind if you read my previous post - I must have been drunk that day in my concealed carry class.

Apparently (in Oregon) if you have a concealed carry permit you're allowed to have a weapon concealed on your person or concealed in your vehicle, even if you have passengers who could open a compartment and access it. Technically it's still considered under your control.

But you leave your vehicle, and leave a passenger in there with the concealed weapon, and somehow they do something to attract the attention of a law enforcement officer to themselves, they could get in trouble, especially if they're a convicted felon who cannot possess firearms (I don't think I haul too many of those around).

Sorry if I confused anyone besides myself.

Firecap501 · January 10, 2014

My self defense instructor taught us, your pistol and rifle are only a tool to get to your shotgun, pistol in night stand mossy 500 pistol grip on my side double stoger on the wifes side of the bed. loaded with 00 buck and 6 shot.

sh00ter · January 10, 2014

I am a firearms dealer & sell very high end 1911s. I am also a dealer for an excellent line of holsters & stock both inside the waistband & belt holsters. I use both depending on the particular gun being used & where I'll be going, weather, clothing etc.

I don't have my truck yet...TPW of 12/23 but they haven't gotten around to building it yet. In my Suburban, I keep a S&W J frame in a door compartment where it's very easy to grab if needed. I'd prefer to get the .45 Wilson Combat (that's the main line I sell) out of my holster but that's not very fast if sitting with a seat belt on. If someone steals the truck, I don't want to give them a gun but at least it would be a J frame instead of a much more expensive custom 1911. I don't know yet where I'll keep the J frame in the new truck but it'll be there.

I am also a dealer for TruckVault & normally have a couple of shotguns & a Wilson Combat SR (Suppressor Ready) Tactical AR rifle in there. I'll be putting one of the waterproof TruckVaults in the truck when I get it. They're pretty much bullet proof! I'll post photos of it on the forum when I get it.

We have an Enhanced Permit here in Mississippi & I am an approved instructor for the course. It allows us to carry in places that are off limits with the normal firearms permit. That includes about anywhere but Federal buildings, police stations, & a couple other places. It even allows carry in airport terminals but not past the check point. It's pretty neat!

Last year, our legislature passed a bill that clarified the state constitution. It seems that open carry has always been legal because the constitution gives the legislature the authority to regulate concealed carry only. Although it's legal, you don't see people open carrying.

I agree with the shotgun...I have a Remington 870 home defense model near my bed. One of my .45s is on the night stand but I'm heading for the shotgun. I don't think I'll ever need it because the British Labs in my profile photo sleep in the bedroom. They're really sweet but also ferocious sounding!

Lastly, the poster who mentioned the 9mm over penetration issue was probably referring to ball ammo which can be a problem. If using the right self defense ammo, it's a great round although I prefer calibers that have a "4" at the beginning of them, specifically a .45.

Sorry for the long post!

Bbowen826 · January 10, 2014

You may want to check your state laws. I taught a CWP class for a few years in South Carolina. A CWP permit is only good to carry a concealed weapon on your person! A CWP does not allow you to conceal it in your vehicle. If it is placed under or beside your seat a CWP permit does not apply. You must go by state law on where you are allowed to carry a weapon in your vehicle. For instance in South Carolina it is only legal to carry a weapon if it is in a latched compartment such as your glove box or center counsel. In North Carolina you can carry a weapon in your vehicle but it must be in open sight. Even in some states you must have your weapon in one compartment with your ammo in a separate compartment. Other states like PA you have to have a permit to carry it in your vehicle. I always keep mine on me so my permit covers me in my vehicle. Accept when I'm on school grounds state law requires me to place it in a latched compartment even if I'm just driving threw in my vehicle. Trust me you don't want to get caught concealing a weapon in your vehicle in a way your not suppose to.

Stex · January 10, 2014

Won, I said if you do not carry on person...

826: good tip. Texas recently extended the Castle law to our vehicles. No CCL needed to carry in truck/car but still need to conceal.

Bbowen826 · January 10, 2014

Won, I said if you do not carry on person...

826: good tip. Texas recently extended the Castle law to our vehicles. No CCL needed to carry in truck/car but still need to conceal.

Texas has all the good gun laws!