2016 Denali 1500 lacking basic features!! Disapointed!&#3

[Driver72]

Thanks, at least you get it Driver 72,! I think Steve is LACKING the knowledge to understand what we are saying!!

 

 

yes, he's clearly a kid, or just not mature.

I've been driving for over 2 decades and have owned nearly 50 new cars, trucks, motorcycles.

I drag race and road race.

I test cars, have published my tests as well. I have been a member of auto forums since the late 90's

I've tuned and dyno'd cars, have been a beta tester for professional tuners as well.

My cars have been modded and featured on home pages of an automotive online website.

Yet he thinks he contributes to forums and thinks because he has more posts than I do on THIS forum that he is superior. LOL

 

I ask questions of others on new forums for insights on vehicles that are new to me, and I'm respectful of it, not pretending i know more about a vehicle that's new to me than those who have had it for a year or more. Some of my questions may even be simple, but you learn a lot from the simple things too. You also learn from critiques and criticisms. Clearly he has no grasp of that either.

 

Yet he talks all kinds of crap and says we are bitching as he comes on your thread and does NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING but bitch about what he thinks you and I are bitching about. He thinks because two words like "lacking" and "subpar" can be used as a synonym that they mean the same thing and can't see or understand they also have two different meanings and uses.

He's totally clueless, and clearly elementary of mind.

He's not worth my time and probably not yours.

He's my first block on this forum, I don't care to see or discuss any of his future posts or pointless attacks on others for their views.

 

Cheers brother and look forward to your future posts and threads.

Going to block that Silverado Steve fool now.

**Edit: He's blocked now, bet he still runs his mouth on a reply here even though I won't see it, or don't care too, he's that type.*** LOL

[POWERQUEST290]

Thanks, I am like you I love all trucks, boats, cars and love to learn as much as I can from others! I am sorry to have started a war with my opinion. I look forward to future posts when truck gets new wheels and tires in the spring! Thanks for your input!

[wesd]

I've felt that GM is behind on truck features for years. But they make the most solid truck, IMO, so that I (and others) tend to overlook not having the latest and greatest all the time for the dependability. As much as I like the F150's options right now, my next truck will be a 2017 Chevrolet, with keys and old looking fob.

[GMSVCMGR99801]

I worked in the car business for a couple decades and think that each manufacturer has its ups and downs and that none are grossly better than the next across their whole line. I worked about 10yr each for Dodge and GM and have owned several of each....all have been very good trucks.

 

Latest are my 2014 Silverado LT Z71, me wife's 2015 Ram 2500HD and my newest....2017 GMC Sierra 1500. I can tell you without a doubt that the GM's are currently better trucks.....maybe that wasn't true in the mid to late 90's, would have picked Dodge every time.

 

As it relates to the 2014 Chevy vs the 2017 GMC, the GMC is a far batter vehicle even though it is very similar......granted it's trim level is much nicer.

 

If were talking Ram vs GM for 2016/2017, GM wins hands down. My wife's Ram is nice but feels much more cheaply made inside......no auto 4x4, no cd player, have to turn the cruise on each key cycle and the most horrific heater control ever. It's 5.7L Hemi is nice but to be honest I much preferred my 2014 5.3L GM to the Hemi. Yes the glove box light is nice I guess......I have a small flashlight to overcome this irritant.

 

The main things that make my GM a better vehicle are.....AUTO 4x4!, I live in Alaska and this feature is one I never want to live without! I also like that the cruise is always ready to set, and that the truck is very smooth and quiet. The fit and finish inside is better on the GM even in a lower price point truck. There is no question that the GM Accessory line is higher quality and always fits like it should.....hit and miss with Mopar in my experience. Yes I wish it had the fold flat floor in the back but it isn't a must have for me, rather have the corner steps in the rear bumper of the GM. In the trucks we currently have....the infotainment is probably a wash with a couple very minor plus/minus on each side. Having said that, the Bose in the GMC is better than anything I've heard in a Dodge. They both require a key to be inserted to start so guess I will continue to go that route....lol.

 

Point here is we can pick out little things that we wish we had or have had in other trucks but they are just bullshit objections......if you aren't happy with your GM then get rid of it, don't whine about a glove box lamp. GM currently offers the best full size trucks available all things considered. The 2014+ are a whole new species of truck imo and I have very much enjoyed both of mine. Owned several Dodges too and like them but the aren't even in the same game right now unless you are buying a diesel then it can tip the scale a bit.

 

Hope everyone finds a way to be happy or trade out......trucks are too expensive to be unhappy about insignificant features ; )

[POWERQUEST290]

Ram is weird about the auto 4wd, my 07 had it, the 10 did not, and the 14 did again, all same level trucks (sports) and I ordered each one with thee options I wanted, but was not available in 10?

Anyway, I never meant for this to be a Ram vs GM side by side, head to head comparison! I just used Ram as an example cause that's what I have owned, but it could have been Ford, Nissan, etc which I have friends that own. I was only stating some basic features on every other brand truck in 2016-2017! I never was comparing stereos, engines, hp, reliability or whatever, I only said that is was lacking some basic features that are a convenience on other trucks! Everyone is hung up on the glove box light, I was just stating as the other things, it's a convince, it's 2017, I used a flashlight to look in the glove box in my 1977 blazer! I never said that it was a pice of junk truck because it did not have one, just said it would be nice to have some of the things I mentioned! So I am not whining about the truck, just stating some over sites on GMs part hoping they might put them on future trucks!

[Donstar]

There is a thread or two on this forum that asks specifically for what owners wished was added to GM's list of options. The comment has come up before about GM being behind the others in innovation or not offering the "good stuff" found in other trucks. GM does extensive market research and that they have the ability to replicate any "feature" found in competitors' trucks. They also initiate design changes that others could copy. For my tastes GM has outdone their competitors for decades in option packages and I have been particularly impressed with the progression of their engines. It was no surprise to me that this conversation was going to get silly when "lacking" and "Denali" were used in the same sentence! Behind the Denali badge on any GM vehicle is a very classy product of engineering!

[KARNUT]

My brother in law has the ram, your here the exhaust and the V-4 sound. Nice truck but I'd rather it be quiet that hear that.

[diyer2]

Having read this thread from start to finish because I wanted to, I had to reply. Not looking to ruffle feathers just my 2 cents.

 

I belong to other online forums and see this kind of bickering regularly. What I don't understand is why it's so important to continue the bickering. Make your point and call it good. The continued bickering reminds me of elementary school playground antics during recess. Yea that's my opinion.

 

This is an online forum, take it for what is. It can be a great resource for information, opinions, or bickering. You get to choose how you use it. I personally choose not to bicker about things because I believe no one really cares what you think anyway, so why bother. I also believe bickering only adds fuel to the fire which is what the participants seem to like.

 

Let the bashing begin.

[Rikki Rockett]

First off, I am only a week into my Denali and I think it's bad assed! I am coming from a Ford Raptor and that was a nice truck. Different headspace and that's what I wanted... a different head space.

 

The Denali is bit more sophisticated and grown up, if you will. Yes, I agree, I wish it did have rear ac/heat vents, but that's about it. I am thankful there is no pushbutton start. Seriously! I hate those. I feel like I'm in a Prius when cars have them and I do tend to forget the keys.

 

This motor is awesome and I ordered a Magnflow catback yesterday so I can hear it just a bit more. Truck is quiet and my kids fall asleep really easily in the back.

 

So far, loving' it!

[POWERQUEST290]

Let us know how you like the magna flow, I am at a toss up between that and a Gibson exhaust? Gibson clip on you tube sounds really nice, but so does the magna!

[crushNchowda]

 

 

Just to let you know, I do believe it has 395 hp (plus it has to be certified by the SAE to claim it anyway).

I had two of them.

At the drag strip with my Crew Cab 4x4 Laramie, I did like high 14's at 95 mph.

I also took a 2013 FX4 Ford with 3.5 Ecoboost and did rolling runs with VBox timer, and the Ram equalled the Ecoboost in passing times and almost exactly match it in 0-60 times of 6.4 seconds, same day, same track, same timer and me driving both trucks. Both trucks were also new with under 2k miles on each.

The problem with the Ram is the weight, from having a lot of steel, heavy wheels/tires, heavier dual exhaust, and lots of options too. Almost every time you see one tested though they use the base 3.21 axle ratio instead of the 3.55's I had in my 2013 or the 3.92's I had in the 2014.

 

So even though it has 395 hp it needs that extra 30 hp or so to make up for the fact it's 200 lbs heavier than a GM (and pre 2015 Ford's) truck, and now like 500 lbs heavier than the new aluminum Fords (which are even faster).

 

If you haven't driven a Ram with the Hemi and 3.92 axle ratio, drive one, it's a quite burly engine actually, doubt you'll find it subpar or question the 395 hp the engine has considering the extra weight it drags around. I'd also put my money on the 5.7 liter over the GM 5.3 any day in a performance and pulling contest. The 5.0 in the Ford has 365 hp (now 375) and I drove the Hemi back to back with the Ford too and the Hemi felt stronger than the Ford 5.0 as well. So again, I don't question the 395 hp or the 407 tq rating.

Again, the reason I got the 6.2 in my GMC, I wanted something more powerful than the 5.7 Hemi I had, and the 5.3 felt and was quite weak by comparison to the Hemi. The 6.2 is noticeably stronger though, considering it has 25 more hp and several hundred pounds less weight.

 

I'm not a manufacturer fanboy, I like almost all brands, so I don't have loyalties. I just speak as I see it and experience it.

The Ram was a nice riding, super smooth driving, comfortable truck with good grunt. It had it's downfalls as well, just like the GM/GMC trucks do. Speaking of those downfalls shouldn't be a reason for others to attack other people's opinions and thoughts, I'm sure we can all agree with that.

Cheers guys

 

Ummmm...dude, hate to break it to ya, but what you're feeling is the SOTP thrust from the short factory gears in the Ram which is nice to have and all, & maybe it is simply the weight & not overconfident HP ratings, but the test data doesn't lie. It is literally not even worth discussing - 0-60 time of 7.4 seconds & a 1/4 mile time of 15.7 @ 88mph aint splitting the difference between GM's 5.3 & 6.2, if anything its slightly slower than the 5.3 by any number of performance tests. Go do a search & take your pick. I don't care if they use the 3.21 gears for the testing - your Ram is an 8 speed just like GM using 3.23 = apples to apples.

 

Ram trucks always LOOK tough, SOUND powerful, FEEL fast - but when push comes to shove they underperform EVERYWHERE - 1500 lb payload? BAHAHHAHHAHA weaaaakkk

 

It has always been this way w/ modern Dodges, and I do like alot of their designs, but when I had my G8 GT for instance, it performed closer to an SRT8 charger & the GXP version crushed it, the Challenger hellfat w/ 707hp drops mid/high 11 second quarter mile passes...great, my lowly C5Z has dipped into high 11's STOCK as verified by multiple sources. My wife;s Acura MDX will smoke a "hemi" Grand Cherokee,

This isn't an anomaly - its always been that way.

I will agree that you could probably attribute the under performance of these vehicles to weight/gearing, (in fact I believe the Challenger hellcat is underrated....but that makes the performance results even less impressive IMO)

 

Car and driver

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-chevrolet-silverado-vs-2015-ford-f-150-2015-ram-1500-2014-toyota-tundra-comparison-test-2015-ford-f-150-vs-2015-chevrolet-silverado-1500-2015-ram-1500-2014-toyota-tundra-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-6

[Driver72]

 

Ummmm...dude, hate to break it to ya, but what you're feeling is the SOTP thrust from the short factory gears in the Ram which is nice to have and all, & maybe it is simply the weight & not overconfident HP ratings, but the test data doesn't lie. It is literally not even worth discussing - 0-60 time of 7.4 seconds & a 1/4 mile time of 15.7 @ 88mph aint splitting the difference between GM's 5.3 & 6.2, if anything its slightly slower than the 5.3 by any number of performance tests. Go do a search & take your pick. I don't care if they use the 3.21 gears for the testing - your Ram is an 8 speed just like GM using 3.23 = apples to apples.

 

Ram trucks always LOOK tough, SOUND powerful, FEEL fast - but when push comes to shove they underperform EVERYWHERE - 1500 lb payload? BAHAHHAHHAHA weaaaakkk

 

It has always been this way w/ modern Dodges, and I do like alot of their designs, but when I had my G8 GT for instance, it performed closer to an SRT8 charger & the GXP version crushed it, the Challenger hellfat w/ 707hp drops mid/high 11 second quarter mile passes...great, my lowly C5Z has dipped into high 11's STOCK as verified by multiple sources. My wife;s Acura MDX will smoke a "hemi" Grand Cherokee,

This isn't an anomaly - its always been that way.

I will agree that you could probably attribute the under performance of these vehicles to weight/gearing, (in fact I believe the Challenger hellcat is underrated....but that makes the performance results even less impressive IMO)

 

Car and driver

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-chevrolet-silverado-vs-2015-ford-f-150-2015-ram-1500-2014-toyota-tundra-comparison-test-2015-ford-f-150-vs-2015-chevrolet-silverado-1500-2015-ram-1500-2014-toyota-tundra-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-6

 

 

 

Man, I don't need to go do "research" on the trucks times, I went to a drag strip and did it with my Ram, totally stock on the recommended 89 octane fuel. 14.7 @ 92 mph 0-60 was 6.4 seconds.

I also own a VBox and tested it, and my VBox was nearly dead on to the drag strips times.

You talk about apples to apples with the 3.23 gear ratio, but then you must talk apples to apples about everything else then too.

As in WEIGHT and power to weight. The Ram is several hundred pounds heavier. So you are questioning the power of an engine but excluding the fact it's heavier and in the Ram's case also wears 1.1 inch TALLER tires. So 3.55 gears in the Ram with the taller tires is probably very close to 3.23 gears in a GM truck with the smaller diameter tires.

The Ram's wheels and tires alone weigh about 8 lbs each heavier then the 20 inch stock GM wheels/tires too.

You have to compare everything if you are going to talk about apples to apples in just the gearing.

 

Here is my post from 3 years ago about my drag strip results, and this was with the 3.55 gears, not the 3.92 which would be a touch quicker still, scroll down after the advertisements, I'm the OP of the post so it's the first one you'll read:

 

http://www.ramforumz.com/showthread.php?t=157350&highlight=mile

 

 

And no offense, you don't seem to know fully what you are talking about with a Hellcat either. I also own a Hellcat. Well recently sold it.

It doesn't do mid to high 11's stock. It does 11.0-11.2 stock at 126 mph in the hands of people who can modulate a throttle and know how to run them.

I did 11.3 at 126 on my very first time at the track with it, on my third pass ever. Totally OEM stock. With barely 1,000 miles on ODO and with a DA of 660 feet.

On the STREET I did 11.6 @ 129 on the VBox, lower ET due to not being able to launch as hard due to spinning, higher trap due to the less friction of street pavement not filled with stick VHT.

They are SAE certified at 714 hp, rated at 707. Problem with them is traction. If you don't know how to drive a powerful RWD car, you won't do well.

Stop reading car magazines, get real numbers.

 

 

And I'm not surprised your wife's MDX will beat a Hemi Jeep. The Hemi Jeep is a tank, your wife's MDX is vastly lighter but only has 50 hp less (Hemi in the Jeep is rated at 360 hp). But people don't race those vehicles, your wife's MDX would get killed by the Hemi Jeep in off roading, or pulling a trailer with any kind of weight on it. That's what those Jeeps are for.

 

Dodge's issue is weight, all their cars are heavy. Also possibly a bit of heavier drivetrain losses too.

Take the Chevy SS (which I also have a 2017 on order). It's almost as fast as the Charger SRT8 with it's 6.4 485 hp engine even though the SS only has 415 rated (it's really closer to the Camaro/Vette's 426 hp rating however).

The reason the SS is nearly as fast, just a tenth or so and 12 mph slower is WEIGHT.

The SS weighs like 300 lbs less.

 

Do yourself a favor. Go find a Ram dealer in your area. Ask them if they have a Ram 1500 Sport or Laramie with the 3.92 axle ratio in stock. Then go drive it. Let me know after that if you really think it doesn't have the power it's rated at and if you really think considering it's extra weight that the 5.3 in the GM trucks of equal options (SLT or LTZ) are faster. I think you'll see that your 5.3 will feel weak by comparison, it did for me, hence why I ordered the 6.2 in my Sierra.

You'll realize that the Hemi does in fact have the 395 hp and 407 torque it states. BTW, it has too, those engines are certified by the SAE, they can't just throw numbers out there without massive penalties if caught.

 

I'm no fanboy of any brand, I buy what I want, but fact is, unless you have first hand experience with a certain vehicle, best you leave comments out about it.

I don't care to argue about this, I'm just stating from actual FIRST HAND ownership experience about these cars/trucks.

 

Have a good day.

[crushNchowda]

 

 

 

Man, I don't need to go do "research" on the trucks times, I went to a drag strip and did it with my Ram, totally stock on the recommended 89 octane fuel. 14.7 @ 92 mph 0-60 was 6.4 seconds.

I also own a VBox and tested it, and my VBox was nearly dead on to the drag strips times.

You talk about apples to apples with the 3.23 gear ratio, but then you must talk apples to apples about everything else then too.

As in WEIGHT and power to weight. The Ram is several hundred pounds heavier. So you are questioning the power of an engine but excluding the fact it's heavier and in the Ram's case also wears 1.1 inch TALLER tires. So 3.55 gears in the Ram with the taller tires is probably very close to 3.23 gears in a GM truck with the smaller diameter tires.

The Ram's wheels and tires alone weigh about 8 lbs each heavier then the 20 inch stock GM wheels/tires too.

You have to compare everything if you are going to talk about apples to apples in just the gearing.

 

Here is my post from 3 years ago about my drag strip results, and this was with the 3.55 gears, not the 3.92 which would be a touch quicker still, scroll down after the advertisements, I'm the OP of the post so it's the first one you'll read:

 

http://www.ramforumz.com/showthread.php?t=157350&highlight=mile

 

 

And no offense, you don't seem to know fully what you are talking about with a Hellcat either. I also own a Hellcat. Well recently sold it.

It doesn't do mid to high 11's stock. It does 11.0-11.2 stock at 126 mph in the hands of people who can modulate a throttle and know how to run them.

I did 11.3 at 126 on my very first time at the track with it, on my third pass ever. Totally OEM stock. With barely 1,000 miles on ODO and with a DA of 660 feet.

On the STREET I did 11.6 @ 129 on the VBox, lower ET due to not being able to launch as hard due to spinning, higher trap due to the less friction of street pavement not filled with stick VHT.

They are SAE certified at 714 hp, rated at 707. Problem with them is traction. If you don't know how to drive a powerful RWD car, you won't do well.

Stop reading car magazines, get real numbers.

 

 

And I'm not surprised your wife's MDX will beat a Hemi Jeep. The Hemi Jeep is a tank, your wife's MDX is vastly lighter but only has 50 hp less (Hemi in the Jeep is rated at 360 hp). But people don't race those vehicles, your wife's MDX would get killed by the Hemi Jeep in off roading, or pulling a trailer with any kind of weight on it. That's what those Jeeps are for.

 

Dodge's issue is weight, all their cars are heavy. Also possibly a bit of heavier drivetrain losses too.

Take the Chevy SS (which I also have a 2017 on order). It's almost as fast as the Charger SRT8 with it's 6.4 485 hp engine even though the SS only has 415 rated (it's really closer to the Camaro/Vette's 426 hp rating however).

The reason the SS is nearly as fast, just a tenth or so and 12 mph slower is WEIGHT.

The SS weighs like 300 lbs less.

 

Do yourself a favor. Go find a Ram dealer in your area. Ask them if they have a Ram 1500 Sport or Laramie with the 3.92 axle ratio in stock. Then go drive it. Let me know after that if you really think it doesn't have the power it's rated at and if you really think considering it's extra weight that the 5.3 in the GM trucks of equal options (SLT or LTZ) are faster. I think you'll see that your 5.3 will feel weak by comparison, it did for me, hence why I ordered the 6.2 in my Sierra.

You'll realize that the Hemi does in fact have the 395 hp and 407 torque it states. BTW, it has too, those engines are certified by the SAE, they can't just throw numbers out there without massive penalties if caught.

 

I'm no fanboy of any brand, I buy what I want, but fact is, unless you have first hand experience with a certain vehicle, best you leave comments out about it.

I don't care to argue about this, I'm just stating from actual FIRST HAND ownership experience about these cars/trucks.

 

Have a good day.

 

 

Hahaha I can tell you're a car guy, me too. Don't get all wound up if you read my previous posts I did allude that it may come down to weight/gearing after all in regards to Dodge brand vehicles "under performing" relative to their HP ratings. I also did note the Rams come w/ 33" tires stock - which I liked. My Sierra is a 6.2 truck too btw (I also owned 2 5.3's but thats another story) - AND I nearly pulled trigger on a Powerwagon, but unlike EVERY other vehicle Dodge sells dealers refused to discount the price much on that truck in my area, and it too suffered from the Dodge brand obesity problem lol.

 

I stick by my original argument though, Dodge always F's up on some aspect of performance where you literally face-smack like "WHY?!" WHY make a 1/2 ton truck focus on a comfy ride when it weighs way more than its competitors & its payload is also way lower too? WHY put a 707hp blown motor in a car wearing 275mm rubber that requires body work to fit anything significantly wider? WHY put that same engine in a performance car and let the weight balloon to 4500 lbs? You do realize how outrageous that curb weight is right? I think its got nearly 60% of the weight over the front wheels too...it is almost like Dodge "engineers" are merely garage hacks simply interested in power ratings & looks.

 

However you could also argue Dodge kills it in the looks dept vs. most other competitors....the SS is tame/lame looking while the Charger is menacing. I actually quite prefer the looks of the GXP but they're few & far between & hold value very well.

 

Hey to each their own I prefer my truck to haul & ride like a truck, I prefer my sports cars to weigh less than trucks lol!! I prefer lower weight & higher capability over comfy rides & posh features (that break - GM isn't entirely free of blame either, WTF do I need power assist steps for again???)

 

Eh whatever, like you said no point arguing, if I had the money I'd have a Hellcat in my garage along w/ my Z06 to use around town & drive in the city keeping my Z for nice sunny days & race tracks

[Havvkeye]

To answer your question, you need the option of power assist steps so less people complain about their not being enough fluff options

[dorkweed]

No Clinton supporters get made if you voice your opinion and it doesn't conform to theres!!

 

 

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No; Clinton supporters get mad if you voice your opinion, and it doesn't conform to theirs!!

 

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